My son rolled his 96 ZJ

[JACKED88]

Other than being a little banged up he's OK. To bad we can't say tha same for his Jeep.

 

 

It did a complete roll over landing right side up with 4 blown out tires. It was still running when it came to a stop so he backed out of the peoples yard it landed in and drove it about a mile home.

[Eagle]

How long is he grounded for?

[cheapmj]

glad his ok and it was not the mj

[88MJXLS]

Glad to hear he's ok! How'd he'd roll it?

[Automan2164]

...How'd he'd roll it?

 

Seeing as it landed in a "yard", I am sure commonsense was out on break at the time.

 

Rob L.

[MJCARENA]

Glad he is OK. The roof held up pretty good.

[JACKED88]

How long is he grounded for?

He's not. It was his Jeep. I just hope that its loss and knowing how lucky he was that nobody else got hurt has taught him a couple of hard lessons.

 

glad his ok and it was not the mj

Me too on both. Just one problem. Now that its totaled and he doesnt have his 383 stroker in his Yukon runnin yet, he's gonna need to borrow my MJ to git to work next week. :help: I'm thinkin if he's lucky I'll let him drive that XJ sittin there.

 

Glad to hear he's ok! How'd he'd roll it?

We havent quite figured all of it out yet but from what he claims and from what I can tell after seeing where it happened ..... He was in residential neighborhood going about 40mph around a fairly long curve in tha street. There was a car parked at tha curb on the opposite side of tha street and another car coming down tha street toward him. The car coming toward him should have given him right away but instead kept coming. In doing so they were in his lane so he had to hit tha curb to avoid a head on. Tha curb blew out his front right tire causing him to start sliding sideways into tha grass and then back out into tha street on now wet tires thanks to tha wet grass. Since he was on a curve in tha street and still sliding, he hit tha curb again just before somebodies driveway. Impacting tha curb while sliding sideways tha Jeep rolled. It rolled across tha sidewalk and across somebodies driveway barely missing a new Honda Ridgeline. It came to a stop on its wheels with tha front of tha Jeep about 10 feet from their front door. In a state of shock not realizing what had just happened and tha Jeep still running, he put it in reverse, backed out of tha yard and drove about a mile to his apartment.

Since then we've loaded on tha trailer its on and brought it to my house till we figure out what to do with it. Insurance you ask??? He only has liability.

Oh, the other car that caused it all ......... kept going. :fs1:

[88SporTruck]

I bet that homeowner was PISSED when he came out and saw his yard all torn up and ruts from the flat tires leading out to the road.

[JACKED88]

I bet that homeowner was PISSED when he came out and saw his yard all torn up and ruts from the flat tires leading out to the road.

Yep. Even though the damage was very minimal he wasnt to happy. Most of the damage done to tha Jeep was caused by his driveway and as such did minimal damage to his yard. There was a couple of clumps of grass torn out between tha curb and tha sidewalk and some scratches on his driveway. Tha yard itself was hardly damaged at all. In fact, there was actually more grass torn out between tha curb and sidewalk of his neighbors yard than there was of his.

Having never ask if my son was OK, he wanted to know if my son had insurance. It kinda pissed me off that he was apparently more concerned about his damn grass and a few scratches than he was for my sons well being. Tha guy was being a total @$$ about tha whole thing.

Having called the police, he told um that Darryl (my son) had fled tha scene of the accident. Nether Darryl or I consider that he fled tha scene of an accident since there wasnt anybody else involved and there wasnt any real property damage to speak of other than to his Jeep. Apparently tha cops think tha same way. They have Darryls contact information but havent contacted him about the accident.

When I went to tha scene tha next morning I could hardly tell there had been a accident there. That morning happened to be garbage day and the home owner had already put all tha parts and pcs that came off tha jeep at tha curb to be picked up. It was all gone by tha time I got there. Darryl wasnt with me when I went to see where it happened. Without those clups of grass missing from between tha curb and sidewalk I wouldnt have been able to find where it happened.

Screw the ole bastard. If he starts any sh-t about it, I'll show him what a torn up yard is supposed to look like. LOL!!!

[aemsee]

glad he is OK. I recommend going back and snapping some pics of the scene just in case you need them for future litigation. The homeowner could try to sue saying he had to repair his entire lawn and resurface his whole driveway.

 

There is on street parking on my street and I am always having to give up my right of way because the oncoming vehicle doesn't realize that if the parked car is on THEIR side THEY need to stop.

[JACKED88]

glad he is OK. I recommend going back and snapping some pics of the scene just in case you need them for future litigation. The homeowner could try to sue saying he had to repair his entire lawn and resurface his whole driveway.

 

There is on street parking on my street and I am always having to give up my right of way because the oncoming vehicle doesn't realize that if the parked car is on THEIR side THEY need to stop.

Taking a few pix is probably a good idea. Thanks.

 

We also have street parking and the same thing happens all tha time. Some people don't give a sh-t if you have tha right of way or not. They just keep coming forcing you to stop. Done properly there's enough room for two cars to pass each other even with a parked car. But then there's those who think they need tha whole frickin road.

We always have vehicles parked in front of our house. I sit on tha front porch sometimes and watch all the idiots challenge each other for right of way to pass um. Its like their playing a game of chicken to see who's gonna yield to who. I'm surprised there arent more wrecks like my son had.

Yeah, I think Darryl was not only driving too fast but aggressively as well. He should have known better than to assume he was gonna be given right of way and slowed down possibly avoided the accident. As they say, hind sight is always 20/20.

[Automan2164]

Just curious... Don't know if this has been asked before... But I noticed a TON more of them in these posts, but whats up with the tha's?

 

Rob L. :dunno:

[JACKED88]

Just curious... Don't know if this has been asked before... But I noticed a TON more of them in these posts, but whats up with the tha's?

 

Rob L. :dunno:

:rotf: You aint from around here are ya??? Down here more often than not we pronounce "the" as "tha". Its just southern slang. I spell it tha way I'd say it if we were face to face.

There's times where "tha" doesnt fit or sound right. Like in front of a word that starts with a vowel. For example; "The" engine did "tha" same thing again.

What can I say? It works for us.

[Automan2164]

Just curious... Don't know if this has been asked before... But I noticed a TON more of them in these posts, but whats up with the tha's?

 

Rob L. :dunno:

:rotf: You aint from around here are ya??? Down here more often than not we pronounce "the" as "tha". Its just southern slang. I spell it tha way I'd say it if we were face to face.

There's times where "tha" doesnt fit or sound right. Like in front of a word that starts with a vowel. For example; "The" engine did "tha" same thing again.

What can I say? It works for us.

 

Pretty much exactly what I figured... Just had to ask. :D

 

Rob L.

[terrawombat]

Just curious... Don't know if this has been asked before... But I noticed a TON more of them in these posts, but whats up with the tha's?

 

Rob L. :dunno:

 

I found it incredibly hard to read that post. I kept focusing in on how many times 'the' was misspelled and sounding it out in my head - I'm a yank so it didn't sound right at all. Once I had finished the paragraph I realized I had no idea what I read. Second time around I used the yankee pronunciation of the word 'the' and it all made sense.

 

You said your son was going 40MPH in a residential neighborhood? What was the posted speed limit? Around here, if it's a neighborhood, it's 25MPH.

[kastein]

I have to agree on the "tha" thing, it does kinda distract me, but then again I use words like "kinda" so I can't really throw stones...

 

Between the idiots who can't park and end up two feet from the curb, and the idiots who don't know how far from their side of the road they are and end up going right down the middle, city streets get interesting here too. On my too-narrow one way street at my last apartment on more than one winter evening I had to fold in my mirrors and have a roommate spot me down my own damn street or I would have removed paint and mirrors from many vehicles! :fs1:

 

Glad your son is OK... hopefully he learned his lesson about going fast in residential areas with idiot drivers present.

[dunl]

I'm glad to hear that your son is okay.

 

I'd believe the part about his tires hitting the curb and then rolling the ZJ over because, you see, our 93 ZJ we used to own saved my son and I one time.

 

We were driving home on a dark evening, up a hill. As we came over the blind hill, three things became apparent. One, a vehicle was pulling partly off the road on my right side. Two, an ambulance with flashing lights was coming towards us. And three, there was a dead moose laying across our lane of traffic, right between the two vehicles.

 

I tried to hit the brake, but we hit the moose first. Lucky for us, I didn't get a chance to brake and bring the nose down right into the moose, as we may have flipped. However, we launched over the moose. Completely. When we came down, the impact blew the rear right tire out, and somehow the ZJ remained in an upright and fairly controllable position - enough to pull off the highway.

 

So i'd consider them to be a fairly stable vehicle, even if we were only airborne for what seemed like 15 seconds, but was probably more like 1.5. However, sliding into a curb sideways should really roll most vehicles unless they are at a very low speed.

[kastein]

True. Curbs also have a nasty way of breaking rims, blowing beads off, and in general wrecking tires/wheels in a hurry... I totally believe that part of the story.

[NWPhotog]

Having called the police, he told um that Darryl (my son) had fled tha scene of the accident. Nether Darryl or I consider that he fled tha scene of an accident since there wasnt anybody else involved and there wasnt any real property damage to speak of other than to his Jeep. Apparently tha cops think tha same way. They have Darryls contact information but havent contacted him about the accident.

 

I am very glad your son is OK but that is DEFINITELY fleeing the scene of an accident. He should have called the police immediately even if that meant knocking on doors. It also sounds like he was driving in an unsafe manor. Regardless of whether the other car yielded he should have been in control of his car enough to handle the situation without rolling the jeep. Thank God there were no kids playing in the yards! Hopefully he learned an important lesson from this.

[JACKED88]

Having called the police, he told um that Darryl (my son) had fled tha scene of the accident. Nether Darryl or I consider that he fled tha scene of an accident since there wasnt anybody else involved and there wasnt any real property damage to speak of other than to his Jeep. Apparently tha cops think tha same way. They have Darryls contact information but havent contacted him about the accident.

 

I am very glad your son is OK but that is DEFINITELY fleeing the scene of an accident.

Really? OK, suppose this would have happened out on some country road where again there was no property damage other than to your own vehicle. Are you trying to tell me you would call the police then too? I think not. With that being true, what's "the" difference? "The" only difference I see is you ended up in a ditch instead of a yard.

But by any means possible you go right ahead and call the police and sit there till they come making certain to have that accident added to your driving record and insurance premiums.

Or, you could back out of "the" ditch and drive a mile down "the" road to your house and call it a night.

Its a no brainer to me and like I posted before "the" police obviously don't consider he fled since they've yet to contact him about "the" accident.

 

Yes, its a good thing there weren't any children playing on the sidewalk at 1:00 am in "the" morning and that nobody else was injured. Yes, he was driving a little faster than "the" 30mph posted speed limit. But regardless of his speed if it hadn't been for "the" oncoming car driving into his lane he would have continued down "the" street and wouldn't have had "the" accident.

 

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With all due respect; This thread wasn't intended to be up for debate. I have no desire to make excuses for my son nor do I have the desire to defend some of yalls criticism about the accident or for that matter how I use or spell tha word "the". I didn't know this was a speech class or I'd been entered into a spelling bee.

 

This threads only intent was to inform you we had lost a Jeep from our family. NO, it wasn't an MJ but a Jeep just "the" same. :(

 

I/we appreciate and thank you for your concerns of well being for Darryl and the loss of his Jeep.

 

 

"THE" END.

[shelbyluvv]

He was just pointing out his opinion. I understand you are going to try and defend your son. You had to know from the start people were going to give their opinion on what they thought.

 

As you know there are three sides to every story,

 

Your's, their's, and the truth.

 

I personally think your kid was driving careless and wreckless. I wonder if there may have been a little booze involved as well. He also fled the scene of the accident. Being out on a back woods country road is different than rolling a vehicle into someone's driveway in a residential area.

 

If it were my kid he would be walking for a loooooong time after a stunt like that. The first thing I would have done is returned him to the scene and made him appologize to the homeowner, then waited for the police to give his side of the story.

 

Him fleeing just made the whole situation look 100X worse.

[JACKED88]

He was just pointing out his opinion. I understand you are going to try and defend your son. You had to know from the start people were going to give their opinion on what they thought.

 

As you know there are three sides to every story,

 

Your's, their's, and the truth.

 

I personally think your kid was driving careless and wreckless. I wonder if there may have been a little booze involved as well. He also fled the scene of the accident. Being out on a back woods country road is different than rolling a vehicle into someone's driveway in a residential area.

 

If it were my kid he would be walking for a loooooong time after a stunt like that. The first thing I would have done is returned him to the scene and made him appologize to the homeowner, then waited for the police to give his side of the story.

 

Him fleeing just made the whole situation look 100X worse.

Apparently we're gonna have to agree to disagree. As for not letting him drive for a while, he's 24 years old, lives in his own apartment and bought the vehicle with his own money. I can't exactly bend him over my knee anymore and taking the keys to his wrecked vehicle would be pointless. Instead, I chose to loan him my truck so he could get to work this week.

As for booze being involved, your right. He drank a couple of beers at around 7:00. (six hours prior to the accident)

Careless and wreckless huh. So that means if your driving down the street and an oncoming car comes over into your lane and the only option you have to avoid a head on collision is to hit the curb ...... your driving carelessly and wrecklessly. Tha fact that you risk your own life to protect someone elses means nothing. Am I missing something here? How bout the fact that just maybe it was the other vehicle driving careless and wreckless??? Darryl wasnt the one driving in somebody elses lane. He did what he had to do. If in your opinion his quick thinking to prevent a head on was driving carelessly and wrecklessly then I hope he continues to do so if thats what it takes to prevent having head on collisions.

Come to think about it, maybe your right. He should have grabbed the wheel, grit his teeth and gone head on into the car that was in his lane. Then it would have been their fault for failing to yield right of way and you wouldnt be accusing him of careless wreckless driving. Of course it might not have mattered since he and the occupants of the oncoming vehicle might have been killed in the process. That would have been much less careless and wreckless.

In my opinion, right now your the one being careless and wreckless by voicing any kind of an opinion about how he was driving. Nether of us were there but I'm positive I know my son and how he drives a lot better than you do.

 

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

One more thing. Your saying its "different" based on where you roll a vehicle doesnt explain how or why its different. In both cases there were no witnesses, no real property damage and nobody other than yourself was injured. Your gonna have to do better than "different" to convince me.

Lets try another one you may be more familiar with. Your driving down an icy residential street and you slide into the curb hitting a light pole. The pole isnt damaged and your vehicle although wrecked is still drivable. Are you gonna sit there and call the police or drive home? And don't tell me again how thats "different". You did just have a wreck on a residential street.

[terrawombat]

You're letting your emotions get in the way and that's completely understandable as my Dad would certainly go to bat for me in the same scenario.

 

Let me briefly describe an accident that I had in January of 2005 (that FINALLY got expunged from my record this year). I was driving approx. 45MPH on a congested highway heading south following a buddy of mine I had just dropped off at a shop to pick up his car. We are in the fast lane on a 55MPH highway when, for WHATEVER reason, a minivan two cars in front of my buddy SLAMS on his breaks to the point where he/she nearly came to a dead stop. This caused the person that my buddy was following to also slam on his brakes, but my friend didn't react quick enough and slammed into the back of that car. In a knee-jerk reaction, I slammed on my brakes, but knew I wasn't going to stop quickly enough so I swerved to the right in an attempt to avoid the accident ahead of me. Unfortunately, the man to the right of me saw the accident as well and in a panic slammed on his brakes even though his lane was clear and was in no immediate danger. He could have driven right on by and he would have been fine. Because he braked and I swerved into his lane, I clipped his rear bumper which sent my car into a spin and I wound up smashing into the concrete median and my car was facing north.

 

So, I've got two people I can potentially blame for this accident, right? The idiot who slammed on his brakes for whatever reason (and as soon as the cars behind him started getting smashed up took off never to be seen again) and the old man in the Lincoln in the lane next to me who panicked and slammed on his brakes. Truth of the matter is, it was MY fault and I take full responsibility for it. I was following my buddy a little bit too close (probably about 3 car lengths...should have been 4 or more) and I made a poor split second decision in an attempt to avoid it all causing my own accident in the process. I was cited for careless AND wreckless driving, although I was able to get the careless driving ticket dropped.

 

So, yes, in the eyes of the law, your son was driving carelessly and wrecklessly. You can't blame the idiot traveling over the center line because, well, nobody cares about him...he doesn't exist at this point.

 

People are going to be skeptical on any internet forum. The people that have posted in this forum have been incredibly tame and forgiving of your son's situation in my opinion. Had you posted this same story with the same information on some of the other car enthusiast forums I belong to, you and your son would gotten the book thrown at you. As soon as you mention speeding in a residential area and alcohol - it's all over. Yea, he had two beers six hours prior to the incident. I think I've used that same story with my father once or twice. Point I'm trying to make is that people will remain skeptical. Count your blessings that your son is okay and no one else was hurt in the incident. Sorry about the loss of your Jeep, but be thankful he was driving that instead of some import econobox where the roof would have completely caved in and it likely wouldn't be drivable after the incident and then the police would most likely have to be involved at that point.

 

P.S. - Didn't mean to rub you the wrong way with the 'tha' thing. Do what you wish...I just mentioned it because someone else had and I was seriously very confused when I read it because I thought you couldn't spell the word. Lay on the southern slang thick, if you wish...I like being culturally diversified :D

[shelbyluvv]

 

 

One more thing. Your saying its "different" based on where you roll a vehicle doesnt explain how or why its different. In both cases there were no witnesses, no real property damage and nobody other than yourself was injured. Your gonna have to do better than "different" to convince me.

Lets try another one you may be more familiar with. Your driving down an icy residential street and you slide into the curb hitting a light pole. The pole isnt damaged and your vehicle although wrecked is still drivable. Are you gonna sit there and call the police or drive home? And don't tell me again how thats "different". You did just have a wreck on a residential street.

 

The difference is that the city/state owns the property you hit on a back road. The chance of the ever finding out is slim to none. You are still in the wrong if you don't report the accident. But if my car is unhurt and there is no damage done to the area. I would leave the scene. I now will call and report ANY accident I am involved in. Reguardless where it happens. See my story below. Your son landed on PRIVATE property. The home owner has every right in the world to sue your son for ANY damages he caused to his property. Including scrapes on his driveway and torn up grass. He can't sue over a curb that got scraped. He does not own it. The city/state does. The state would have to sue for those repairs which they hardly ever do. Unless you flee the scene and the judge wants to be a prick.

 

Back in 1992 I rolled a car on a backwoods road in PA. I also had a couple beers at about 6:00 and the crash happened at 2:00. I took out a bunch of brush and scraped the road. The car landed on it wheels and I drove off. A person down the road heard the wreck and called the cops. I was fined for fleeing the scene of an accident, careless and wreckless driving, and failure to maintain control of a motor vehicle. On top of that $2500 worth of fines I also had to pay the state to have the scrapes in the road re-tarred, and replacement of 3 junior Mulberry bushes, 1 junior Blue Spruce, and 1 junior White Oak. All to the grand total of $3000 in fines and restitution.

 

It can and does happen!

[kastein]

Did they ever actually re-tar the scrapes in the road?

 

At least around here, they sure as hell won't get around to patching them until they have a hole the size of a VW up the road to handle and even then it's a crapshoot.

 

They do fix guardrails that get wiped out in a timely fashion however. If you can see the dent from more than about 10-20 feet away and it gets reported, they're done in a month or two. I assume they charge people for them but don't know. Fortunately when I blew a brake line and slid my 96 XJ into a guardrail, it won, my header panel and fender lost. You could barely tell a few days later after the paint flakes had been washed off by the rain. No, I didn't report it... but then again I slid a few dozen feet on a wet road, hopped an asphalt curb at such low speed that it didn't even scuff my sidewall, and hit the guardrail at 10-15mph, I didn't take my jeep for a roll through some guy's front yard.