Oizarod115 Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 But the '20 he's looking at won't match his front axle in bolt pattern or width. I too would take an MJ AMC-20 over the Explorer 8.8. It's cooler and bolts in. :D did MJs come with the FSJ '20 or the CJ '20... i thought MJs came 2-piece?
Pete M Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 The 86 Metric Ton MJ came with the MJ '20. It's a different width than an other '20s and has one piece shafts (obviously with the 5on4.5" pattern)
DirtyComanche Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 If anybody cares, to tell a two-peice axle from a one peice all you need to do it look at the flange with the studs on it that you bolt your wheels too... if there's a big forking nut in the middle, it's two peice. No nut, one peice.
JOMJ87 Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 Search car-part.com it worked for me but they wanted alot to get them to me so i prob going for an 8.8 but still trying to find a MJ 20. Cole
Pete M Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 I'll sell mine... for about eleventy-bajillion dollars. :D
comanche tom Posted October 13, 2006 Author Posted October 13, 2006 If I did this swap I would take both axles from this wagoneer, the front D44 and the rear AMC20, so both the front and the back will be the same width. I'm just curious how wide it will be, will it look like Petes, or wider, or not as wide? how much wider is it? Also, This swap would be a project of mine and I would rebuild the whole thing, and won't be throwing it right in. So, if I go through with this swap, I plan on buying 6 lugg wheels and bigger better tires, along with rebuilding it and installing an lsd/locker. 87manche is on the same track with me, I do want to be able to customize it, and those gears are monsters. That MJ 20 sounds awsome! Thanks dirty, I'll check on that.
Pete M Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 If I understand it correctly, the Waggy axles are a couple inches narrower than the stock MJ axles. My 88 has fullsize ford axle that are much wider than MJ axles.
comanche tom Posted October 14, 2006 Author Posted October 14, 2006 How does that make any sense though? I'm talking about an old Fullsize AMC Grand Wagoneer with the amc v8 in it and I'm pretty certain its wider than any mj or any of the mid size jeeps.
DirtyComanche Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 How does that make any sense though? I'm talking about an old Fullsize AMC Grand Wagoneer with the amc v8 in it and I'm pretty certain its wider than any mj or any of the mid size jeeps. It doesn't track wider! Even though it is wider! Front axle is 61" WMS-WMS. Rear is 58.5". The reason that it appears any wider is that the stock rims have a much lower backspacing as the smaller heeps. If you want to see how wide a wag D44 is with 15x8's with 3.5" BS under a MJ, just holler.
comanche tom Posted October 14, 2006 Author Posted October 14, 2006 ah... thanks for clearing that up holler, I'll take a gander. btw who makes good spacers?
DirtyComanche Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 Not a very useful pic, but that'll give you an idea of the width. The rear is too narrow right now. Almost all spacers are alright as long as they are the ones with studs pressed into them that you bolt on then bolt the wheel to. Image Not Found
comanche tom Posted October 14, 2006 Author Posted October 14, 2006 the front is what your referenceing, the 44 right? (btw your truck looks nice) This is a new idea, how well do wrangler axles go up to mj's, width wise. I'm not really worried about the other stuff, it seems you pretty much have to customize any axle to get it in there. I'd be converting to soa too so I dunno if they already are or what.
irishjeeper Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 Wranglers (yj) have the same axles just leafs in frt TJ wranglers are coil but are still dana 30s unless you find a rubicon and you are looking at $$$$$ for them go with the full size jeep 44/20 combo unless you find a 90 waggy then you have 44/44 awsome axles put a set of lockin/out hubs on frt,lockers and wheel the nads of that comanche,Oh yea your bolt pattern with the waggy stuff same as 6 bolt chevy found almost every where any junkyard,tire shop,very common cheap to buy used usualy w/tires allready on them just bought a set myself w/36" iroks w/50 percent tread 250.00 on soft 8s. the waggy has a spring under but you can use wrangler leafs which is what ive seen most guys do SOA,or SUA any after market wrangler leaf spring will also work call National Tire and Wheel I bought my 4" replacement spring when I wrecked the cj for 63.00 you really only need to replace frts and spring the rear over and of coarce the shocks etc but you can collect everything a little at a time.
comanche tom Posted October 17, 2006 Author Posted October 17, 2006 Thanks, I think I'm gonna go with a swap from a wrangler. just to clarify, they are SOA stock right?
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