I'm mad

[DirtyComanche]

Got my payroll advice today (direct deposit, I don't see a cheque)... The bastards under payed me by $200. WTH? I'm salary, it's not hard to pay me the same base amount every freaking month.

 

I don't need the money, I just wonder WTH is wrong with the people I work for. Of course, now I have to figure out who I am supposed to talk to about this 'issue' :roll: Maybe I should phone my immediate supervisor tomorrow and ask him, he'd appreciate that.

[CWLONGSHOT]

Got my payroll advice today (direct deposit, I don't see a cheque)... The bastards under payed me by $200. WTH? I'm salary, it's not hard to pay me the same base amount every freaking month.

 

I don't need the money, I just wonder WTH is wrong with the people I work for. Of course, now I have to figure out who I am supposed to talk to about this 'issue' :roll: Maybe I should phone my immediate supervisor tomorrow and ask him, he'd appreciate that.

 

Its happened to me a couple times as well. I used to never watch my pay stubs. But recently I have found more and more simple stupid errors. (Almost always against me...) Its in your best interest to watch this stuff.

 

Yup, talk to your supervisor or is you have a payroll dept. Speak directly with them. (This is what I do.) Lastly if you have a human resources that could also help with the long term prevention.

 

CW

[jeepdoggydogB]

Electronic deposits have really changed how folks bank. Many do not pay attention to their deposit or balance period. I am the IT guy over a financial/HR/payroll system with 6,000 employees and I can tell you the mistakes go both ways. We are paid monthly and we have people that didn't realize they got $1,500 more on their deposit than they should have, spent the money and then when the Payroll folks try to collect the money they have to do a repayment plan lasting up to a year.

 

You are correct most of the errors are human involving timecard entry errors or incorrect deductions. We try to automate as much as possible but hourly folks always use a timesheet. Since you are a salaried employee sometimes the way a system calculates an FTE (full time employee) causes fluctuations in weekly or monthly paychecks. FTE's are calculated in a number of ways, daily, weekly, monthly or yearly. Our salaried FTE's are calculated on days worked in a year. We have folks that work 180 days a year and others that work anywhere between 180 and 228 days a year.

 

Many payroll systems just take a years salary and divide it by the pay period e.g. $40,000/12 months or $40,000/52 weeks and if that is they your system works I find it difficult to believe that only one check is wrong. I am not familiar with Canadian laws, but here we have to get the money we owe you within 24 hours which would mean your Payroll department would give you a "hand drawn check" as soon as you make them aware. If you do not have a formal payroll department and the work is outsourced definitely tell your boss.

[vaquaro]

Got my payroll advice today (direct deposit, I don't see a cheque)... The bastards under payed me by $200. WTH? I'm salary, it's not hard to pay me the same base amount every freaking month.

 

I don't need the money, I just wonder WTH is wrong with the people I work for. Of course, now I have to figure out who I am supposed to talk to about this 'issue' :roll: Maybe I should phone my immediate supervisor tomorrow and ask him, he'd appreciate that.

I used to have this happen often with our electronic /swipe card time clock . Most of the guys (me too) now back up with The old "punch clock" for a personal record of hours,O/T , double time ,Missed breaks etc. Our payroll is now done in Kansas , so as you can imagine they're not to swift on Canadian tax / deductions etc.,but once they know your tracking them suddenly they become VERY accurate :hmm: ..... :thumbsup:

[DirtyComanche]

Electronic deposits have really changed how folks bank. Many do not pay attention to their deposit or balance period. I am the IT guy over a financial/HR/payroll system with 6,000 employees and I can tell you the mistakes go both ways. We are paid monthly and we have people that didn't realize they got $1,500 more on their deposit than they should have, spent the money and then when the Payroll folks try to collect the money they have to do a repayment plan lasting up to a year.

 

I normally pay fairly close attention to it. People make mistakes, and there is a huge human side to our payroll as we have extra incentives (away from base, flight pay, plus we are payed averaged overtime, and we have per diems and expenses coming out the wazoo. All the information that they base that on is given to them on a handwritten time sheet that I might have filled out at 2am when I got the job done. It pays to take a peak at my payroll advice. However, I don't recall having seen the pay stub before this one, or having looked at it closely, I might have been under payed last month too...

 

You are correct most of the errors are human involving timecard entry errors or incorrect deductions. We try to automate as much as possible but hourly folks always use a timesheet. Since you are a salaried employee sometimes the way a system calculates an FTE (full time employee) causes fluctuations in weekly or monthly paychecks. FTE's are calculated in a number of ways, daily, weekly, monthly or yearly. Our salaried FTE's are calculated on days worked in a year. We have folks that work 180 days a year and others that work anywhere between 180 and 228 days a year.

 

Many payroll systems just take a years salary and divide it by the pay period e.g. $40,000/12 months or $40,000/52 weeks and if that is they your system works I find it difficult to believe that only one check is wrong. I am not familiar with Canadian laws, but here we have to get the money we owe you within 24 hours which would mean your Payroll department would give you a "hand drawn check" as soon as you make them aware. If you do not have a formal payroll department and the work is outsourced definitely tell your boss.

 

It's based on the assumption that there is 172~ (IIRC) hours in a month and that I'm payed $**.**/hour for that. The salary (base pay) figure does not change on a month to month basis unless I get a raise (or I guess a reduction, I don't know how the laws work regarding that, I imagine if they want to cut my pay they'd have to inform me in writing). I also don't know the laws regarding them correcting it, but I would expect they'd pay me within a week (as goes for expenses) and I could live with that, I'd rather they didn't give me a cheque anyways. Of course, now I'm thinking I should find my previous pay stub and see if that one was wrong too, since I can't specifically remember looking at it closely.

[DirtyComanche]

Got my payroll advice today (direct deposit, I don't see a cheque)... The bastards under payed me by $200. WTH? I'm salary, it's not hard to pay me the same base amount every freaking month.

 

I don't need the money, I just wonder WTH is wrong with the people I work for. Of course, now I have to figure out who I am supposed to talk to about this 'issue' :roll: Maybe I should phone my immediate supervisor tomorrow and ask him, he'd appreciate that.

I used to have this happen often with our electronic /swipe card time clock . Most of the guys (me too) now back up with The old "punch clock" for a personal record of hours,O/T , double time ,Missed breaks etc. Our payroll is now done in Kansas , so as you can imagine they're not to swift on Canadian tax / deductions etc.,but once they know your tracking them suddenly they become VERY accurate :hmm: ..... :thumbsup:

 

 

I actually wish I had an electronic backup of what I did. I should probably make up an excel spreadsheet and put everything in it. I have the carbon copy of my time book, but they become fairly illegible. All my expenses get copied in my notebook, but again that becomes a mess (and I don't always have my notebook). Because of the nature of our work we could never have anything as simple as a punch clock. As it is we follow an unwritten code for the amount of hours worked in a day, since there is so many variables. And often I'm filling in my time sheets at 2am (or worse) and a lot of the details get obscured with the '@#$% it, just write something down' attitude. :rotf:

[jeepdoggydogB]

I think it would be worth going to your Bank and getting Statements for the last year and even paying a few bucks as you may have been getting short changed for a few months and when you add it up that isn't chump change anymore. If you bank online its all there for the reading.

 

For simplicity sake we run two payrolls a month one regular and the other for overtime. Our per diem, mileage and meal allowances are paid out of petty cash or the accounts payable department and not subject to payroll taxes. You might want to verify with payroll that 172Xhourly rate X 12 months is actually your yearly pay and start from there. I know the Canadian tax system is different from the U.S. tax system so that might be the reason all your compensation is on one check. Good luck and I hope you get all the money that is coming to you.

[DirtyComanche]

Well, I do get two different cheques. My expenses and per diems are not taxable, so they do get payed out separate (and within a week of being submitted, or heads roll). However all the other extra incentives go on the same cheque as my salary. I look back through my bank statements but it's totally useless since I basically get payed a random amount each month depending on where I worked, what on, and etc etc. Also, they're between 2 weeks and a month behind on the extra incentives, and a month behind on scheduled overtime payouts, so it makes things incredibly confusing.

 

But... On my pay stub/payroll advice it has it all broken down in plain english and one column is 'Base Pay'. That's my salary. And that's why I know it's different.

 

Anyways, I've got a week more time off, and I'm not too interested in phoning anybody at work at this point. So I'll just ask about it when I get back there. I should be able to get a reprint of all of my pay stubs for the last couple months and check them.

[brdhntr]

wait a minute! did nobody catch the whole "i don't need the money" thing? :dunno:

 

send it to me when you get it, i need it!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[DirtyComanche]

wait a minute! did nobody catch the whole "i don't need the money" thing? :dunno:

 

send it to me when you get it, i need it!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

 

 

Just 'cause I don't 'need' it dun' mean I don't 'want' it. Maybe I should have rephrased that as "I don't need it right now". I might specifically need it, or the maturation of it, at some point in the future, but not now.

[Sir Sam]

wait a minute! did nobody catch the whole "i don't need the money" thing? :dunno:

 

send it to me when you get it, i need it!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

 

 

Just 'cause I don't 'need' it dun' mean I don't 'want' it. Maybe I should have rephrased that as "I don't need it right now". I might specifically need it, or the maturation of it, at some point in the future, but not now.

 

Basically him paying his bills on time is not dependent on the missed $200.

[JeepcoMJ]

That's better than me.

 

 

I worked over 120 hours last week.

 

was out of state, so fedex overnight my expense report back Saturday A.M. in a drop box with a saturday 10am pickup (or so the box said???).

 

memorial day screwed that all up. my expense report didn't show by tuesday, our cutoff day.

 

 

so I have $500 in personal expenses out, and $120 or more hours I didn't get payed. I only got payed 54 hours for the week before, and that was under $500. my bills amount to $700, and I still owe the department of corrections $320 and I get off paper this thursday after two years. I payed what bills I could (which were already put off one week due to being out of state and unable to pay) especially car insurance (have to...brother is on my insurance with his xj, and he's got a form of epilepsy so I cannot shrug that off) and I'm still $200 short, $0 to live for the next two weeks, which probably doesn't matter because if I can't pay $320 by thursday, I get to go to jail for awhile.

 

WOOHOO FML

[Automan2164]

...I still owe the department of corrections $320 and I get off paper this thursday after two years...

Care to elaborate? :D

 

Rob L.

[brdhntr]

wait a minute! did nobody catch the whole "i don't need the money" thing? :dunno:

 

send it to me when you get it, i need it!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

 

 

Just 'cause I don't 'need' it dun' mean I don't 'want' it. Maybe I should have rephrased that as "I don't need it right now". I might specifically need it, or the maturation of it, at some point in the future, but not now.

 

 

 

yah, i just had to razz you a bit. :D i'm lucky and don't have to worry about that. i took early retirement back in '04. ok it's really disability, but i think early retirement sounds better. ;) the check amount never changes (except my yearly inflation increase). if i am due to get it on the 3rd, but that on a weekend or holiday, i get it the friday before.

 

it's nice not to have to worry about it at all. i can never be shorted, i get paid no matter what, and i don't have to worry about job security.

 

what sucks is that i am disabled and living with a disability sucks. it also stinks that my income is limited. if i want to get something expensive, i have to budget it in for the entire month since i only get paid once a month. :ack:

[DirtyComanche]

....$0 to live for the next two weeks, which probably doesn't matter because if I can't pay $320 by thursday, I get to go to jail for awhile.

 

 

They'll feed you in jail, and it won't cost you a dime.

 

Sounds like you're in a real bind... I imagine you don't have any credit, and could just grab a quick personal loan to fix the things for a bit. Jail in the states has got to suck. Here it's more like swimming pools and tennis courts...

[JeepcoMJ]

...I still owe the department of corrections $320 and I get off paper this thursday after two years...

Care to elaborate? :D

 

Rob L.

 

 

got in with the wrong crowd in college, did some dumb things while drinking. nothing of what I did had anything to do with another person, so no it wasn't a crime against a person or persons.

 

I haven't drank in two years, and I'm very thankful for the experience...have learned quite a bit but it has been a roller coaster ride, trying to pay everything up (especially school...I was forced to leave for the duration of probation and so now I am paying back all of my loans, which add up to quite a bit for someone who hasn't finished their majors and doesn't have a great paying job).

 

*shrug*. the whole experience is just the big guy's way of telling me to knock it off.

[mvusse]

I haven't drank in two years

 

You expect us to believe that? Not even a single one? :roll:

 

Sorry, just razzing you. Bad habit of mine. ;)

 

 

 

 

I keep a savings account. In it I (try to) keep one normal pay check. So if a pay check end up being late for whatever reason (more and more often as of late), I still have the money to pay my bills. Currently it's a little low again because of unforeseen circumstances, but still enough to pay the mortgage, which is my single largest monthly payment. Took me a while to get it built up, but I've been glad I did on more than one occasion.

[Automan2164]

I would save money, but there are just too many jeeps to be bought. So little time. :brows:

 

Its an addiction, I just wish I could stop buying Jeeps long enough to afford to move into a place with some land. Then I could buy even more jeeps without having to sell the ones I have to make room! Yes! I have already told my GF, that if we get land where some stuff can sit, we are in trouble. :nuts:

 

But I'm picking jeeps short-term... Long terms goals can wait. I am more instant gratification. :yes:

Rob L.

[JeepcoMJ]

I haven't drank in two years

 

You expect us to believe that? Not even a single one? :roll:

 

Sorry, just razzing you. Bad habit of mine. ;)

 

 

 

 

I keep a savings account. In it I (try to) keep one normal pay check. So if a pay check end up being late for whatever reason (more and more often as of late), I still have the money to pay my bills. Currently it's a little low again because of unforeseen circumstances, but still enough to pay the mortgage, which is my single largest monthly payment. Took me a while to get it built up, but I've been glad I did on more than one occasion.

 

lol. I can count the times I've drank on one hand, and I can count the number of drinks I've had on two hands. so going from not remembering the first three months of college at all to that is pretty darn good I'd say...

 

and yeah, I've been trying to get a savings account going. but I can't save while I'm digging myself out of a decent size hole, and when I'm irresponsible with $$$ anyways when it comes to jeeps. that's changed...haven't spent any cash out of pocket on jeeps in a good month and a half

[DirtyComanche]

We should get Pete to set up a 'Rehab' subforum for people trying to control their jeep related addictions.

[brdhntr]

i am proud to say my only loan is our mortgage. :clapping: other than that, we don't use credit cards and don't take loans out. if you can't pay for it, you shouldn't have it is my philosophy. to many people are living with huge credit pile up. driving cars they can't afford. i haven't had a car loan since '94. yes i've had some nice vehicles since then, i just save and use the money when i have it. true, i haven't bought a brand new vehicle in the last 10 years or so, but i have 4 vehicles. saving to have a month on hand just in case isn't in my near future. i need to buy the needed things (the wife wants another mini-van).

 

now, with all that said, we are looking bankruptsy down the barrel. i have no loans, but i have huge medical debt for me and one of my daughters. it's something i could never pay. i don't need to make payments on it, it just kind of sits there. the new stuff is taken care of, this is all older stuff. the clinic/hospital/doc's do get paid, just not for the old stuff. no i'm not a jerk. it sits there because we are in a lawsuit over medical malpractice. the amounts that are there are for the time and visits in dispute. i don't have to pay them and i don't need to file them on bankruptsy. i just want to. i want them gone. i don't like having it sit there. besides, if i win my lawsuit, that's more money for me instead of chancing that they may be able to collect. we have wanted to refinance our home for a lower rate, but all this debt sitting there hurts us. if we file, it will be gone and i'll never have to think about it again. at this point we could probably refinance the house within 6 months of the bankruptsy. if the debt stays, it'll be longer until we can take advantage of lower rates.

 

the big thing is that if i would happen to die (yes it's a daily possibility), my wife and kids wouldn't be looking at it. it would be gone. that's a nice piece of mind.

 

i do spend alot on meds each month. then it costs alot to travel to mayo clinic all the time. then there's the mayo bills. for the most part, the mayo bills are now taken care of by studies and research funding. so if the debt is gone, it's not coming back anytime soon. plus, filing for bankruptsy with a medical, is not a very bad thing at all.

 

anyway, enough financial talk, who wants to go jeeping? :D

[BJA814]

They tried to make me go to Jeep-hab, but I said "NO, NO, NO"

 

 

...sorry...

[mvusse]

The only loan I currently have is my mortgage. I do have a credit card with just over $1k. I haven't used it for a number of months now, and am paying it down. I hope to be able to keep doing that, but I just got my hours cut in the same week medical insurance is going up :eek:

[Automan2164]

Eh. I used to get pissed off about money, and I used to get real "lippy" for loss of a better word. Hence the reason the HR lady at work doesn't like me anymore. We tried to go union (Contractors Local 150, Public Sector) and HR had an emergency mandatory intervention with the entire public works department. Someone brought up how HR gets more money because they are "professionals", I got hot, and stood up and said in the middle of 200 people, and said "Well you forgot to give me my raise. Doesn't seem very professional to me." :roll:

 

Two weeks later, I got my raise, a $40 gift certicicate to the chamber of commerce, and a backhanded sorry card that started with "Sorry during my tenure (9 years) I have made a mistake. Thanks for bringing it to my attention." :ack:

 

Still working there, Still not union, :fs1: But better believe I have been getting my raises on time. ;)

 

"Take this job and shove it, I ain't working here no more..."

 

Too many non-producers in the world. Have HR people who have assistants, who have assistants. In my eyes, my skill as a fleet mechanic is just as professional as your pencil-pushers. If not more than some. I have a degree and go to training all the time to keep up on my trade. Too many white collars these days. Who says wearing a blue collar isn't a living... Thats all i have ever worn. :USAflag:

 

Rob L.