Cabz Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Has anyone had an issue with there lifted MJ leaning to the drivers side? I have the 4" rustys springs and the MJ leans an inch to the drivers side rear :cry: I don't know if it is because ole rusty made me wait for a few months with a sagging coil , or if the springs just don't like 1 person and a full tank of gas. also for any one rustys victims ( :eek: oops I mean customers ) with there rear leafpack how does your handle a load ? I had roughly 400lbs ( very high estimate ) in the bed of the MJ most of the heavy stuff was to the front of the axle in the bed , and the poor ole MJ was dragging some azz. It damn near looked stock hieght in back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jage Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 once I compressed one of Rusty's coils enough to stuff the tire fully it never came back to ride height. as for the rear springs the first time I took 'em offroad they twisted permanently so bad the pinion was at about 10° more toward the sky and I had hella vibration. the spring guy who resprung them and added an antiwrap leaf said they were the cheapest weakest springs he'd ever seen. so, yeah, your problem is probably rusty sold you total crap. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egghead Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 so, yeah, your problem is probably rusty sold you total crap. I disagree my good sir, My MJ has the same problem. I'm running stock leaf springs in the rear and RE coils in the front. After time leaf springs usually begin to lose their arch; the weight of the gas tank and driver constantly putting them under load will make them lose arch. Rustys is not the problem. I know a lot of you are probably thinking "New leaf springs should not sag." Rustys springs are made to bolt in and perform on the trail. They are a soft spring (Not made for heavy loads) He doesnt make them like all these other companies where you have to work the springs in before really getting good ride or flex. Here is a quote from the website (Rustysoffroad.com) under F.A.Q's Over 2 years ago the 4.5" and the 6.5" leaf packs had 5 leafs , plus I was using the same spring rate as the 3.5", They rode very good and flexed great. The problem arose when someone would add a bumper and tire carrier, roof rack, tool boxes and spare parts. They would add more parts than a 1/2 ton truck would hold up. The XJ is rated for less than a 1/4 ton, but they would put this gear and the springs would drop in height. Springs are rated by pounds needed to compress the spring. Our spring at that time where about 150 pounds , so for every 200 to 250 pounds in would come down an inch. Nothing wrong with that unless you are carring a big load, most of the customers loved them for the ride and flex and that is how I designed them. I would say add another leaf spring in that side and see how it sits, if your wanting to carry a load add your factory overloads back into Rustys packs. (This is if you havnt already) Egg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 They may lean a bit, one way or another, maybe the springs are bad, maybe they aren't. Mine used to, but it settled out. However, on the soft rear leafs, mmm. I added an extra main to my stockers when going SOA, and the my front rusty's coils were still of such a higher spring rate that the front absolutely refused to flex. The rear would just do all the work. Soft rear springs don't necessarily help... And from what you say, my rears are of a MUCH higher rate, as I threw two axles in the back and it went down maybe 1.5" at MOST. Those axles being an isuzu 12 (complete) and a waggy D44 (complete). Oh, and rusty's springs out out-of-house, and the rear ones are made comparably to just about any others now. The old ones were total crap... The front coils are the same as RE, teraflex, etc, IIRC. If they're leaning badly, swap their sides. Drive it a week. If it's leaning the way it was before, don't worry about it. Add a small spacer to the front if it bothers you (extra stock isolator). If it's leaning to the other side (as in, the short side you swapped never came back up) then send them back and b*@$£. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWLONGSHOT Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Mine was leaning pretty bad (1.5 - 2") with the factory supention. Since adding the rustys 4" leafs out back its MUCH better. I have had it loaded up prety good a couple times. i have also flexed it out...really good a couple times. I have yet to bump stop it. (REALLY BAD my part) I won't be back off road with it till I get the BS's in. Yea it dropped down, but not aweful. You gotta remember thesae trucks are light duty, not really meant for hauling. Even the heavy tonne was light cmpaired to a Chevy, Ford, Dodge 1/2 ton. Its just the way it is. Any how, I HAD rustyd coils up front....aweful, but they where third hand!!! Now I have a set new set up front and its better yet!! I also have ACOS up front and set them 3/8 - 1/2 higher on the DS to help compinsate for this. I would do as Dirty suggested, add a small spacer to the DS and call it good!!! CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jage Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 so, yeah, your problem is probably rusty sold you total crap. I disagree my good sir, My MJ has the same problem. I'm running stock leaf springs in the rear and RE coils in the front. After time leaf springs usually begin to lose their arch; the weight of the gas tank and driver constantly putting them under load will make them lose arch. Rustys is not the problem. I know a lot of you are probably thinking "New leaf springs should not sag." Rustys springs are made to bolt in and perform on the trail. They are a soft spring (Not made for heavy loads) He doesnt make them like all these other companies where you have to work the springs in before really getting good ride or flex. Here is a quote from the website (Rustysoffroad.com) under F.A.Q's Over 2 years ago the 4.5" and the 6.5" leaf packs had 5 leafs , plus I was using the same spring rate as the 3.5", They rode very good and flexed great. The problem arose when someone would add a bumper and tire carrier, roof rack, tool boxes and spare parts. They would add more parts than a 1/2 ton truck would hold up. The XJ is rated for less than a 1/4 ton, but they would put this gear and the springs would drop in height. Springs are rated by pounds needed to compress the spring. Our spring at that time where about 150 pounds , so for every 200 to 250 pounds in would come down an inch. Nothing wrong with that unless you are carring a big load, most of the customers loved them for the ride and flex and that is how I designed them. I would say add another leaf spring in that side and see how it sits, if your wanting to carry a load add your factory overloads back into Rustys packs. (This is if you havnt already) Egg Gosh, that's funny because if that's true how come my RE springs never sagged on the same Jeep even though I wheeled the wee out of them? What about my TJ I've had for 6 years with stock springs? No lean there... nor have either of my MJs leaned. The 87 even had a leaf in the pack broken in half. Couldn't have been down more than 1/2". I guess it's that I'm light. If I weighed over 300 lbs mabye that would make a difference... oh wait, I'm frigging 315! I'm not saying when I'm in the vehicle it's necessarily level, but when I get out they damn sure are. So, explain to me again why Rusty's springs are the only springs I've ever had that have totally sagged after one decent stuff and the rears weren't even good for one trip? Please, tell me again how my personal experience is wrong... I proably should have put a coil spacer in on ONE SIDE to keep the front from sagging. How could I have been so daft? And quote me some more Rusty. There is nothing more I love than someone blowing Rusty's warm sunshine up my @$$. Uh, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabz Posted July 11, 2006 Author Share Posted July 11, 2006 On the front of my MJ I have allready replaced the front rustys spring , while I was in there I added a 3/4 spacer and another factory isolator to get the old girl to the 4.5" of lift I wanted ( I have a heavy azz bumper :eek: ). It Only took about 5 weeks of calling and wrestleing with rustys to get that taken care of :mad:. I guess the best thing to do would be to add another leaf to the pack and swap sides maybe that will get it close . It just kinda sucks that I bought a kit and have had such a load of greif with it , Well I guess ya live,learn and try not to make the same mistakes again :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepaholic Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Am i the only person here that uses RoughCountry stuff... :dunno: That is all me and my buddies use and never have any trouble..Reasonable price too...If the MJ i just got didnt already have the 8"skyjacker i would be puttin the roughcountry on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 On the front of my MJ I have allready replaced the front rustys spring , while I was in there I added a 3/4 spacer and another factory isolator to get the old girl to the 4.5" of lift I wanted ( I have a heavy azz bumper :eek: ). It Only took about 5 weeks of calling and wrestleing with rustys to get that taken care of :mad:. I guess the best thing to do would be to add another leaf to the pack and swap sides maybe that will get it close . It just kinda sucks that I bought a kit and have had such a load of greif with it , Well I guess ya live,learn and try not to make the same mistakes again :D Ever read my sig? Yeah, there's the occasional person who love's rusty's. I had somebody on JeepForum tell me that I was wrong about the LA kit that I had bought/installed, when he had done neither such things... Although, normally his springs are supposed to be fine, as I said, out-of-house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egghead Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Gosh, that's funny because if that's true how come my RE springs never sagged on the same Jeep even though I wheeled the wee out of them? What about my TJ I've had for 6 years with stock springs? No lean there... nor have either of my MJs leaned. The 87 even had a leaf in the pack broken in half. Couldn't have been down more than 1/2". I guess it's that I'm light. If I weighed over 300 lbs mabye that would make a difference... oh wait, I'm frigging 315! I'm not saying when I'm in the vehicle it's necessarily level, but when I get out they damn sure are. So, explain to me again why Rusty's springs are the only springs I've ever had that have totally sagged after one decent stuff and the rears weren't even good for one trip? Please, tell me again how my personal experience is wrong... I proably should have put a coil spacer in on ONE SIDE to keep the front from sagging. How could I have been so daft? And quote me some more Rusty. There is nothing more I love than someone blowing Rusty's warm sunshine up my @$$. Uh, sir. Alright fella' you don't have be so uptight about this subject. Your personal expirience is not wrong. I came across this topic and decided to do some research on Rusty's springs. I came across that quote and it made since to me. ( I have no personal expirence with Rusty's) Maybe your correct Rustys is junk. But don't get so uptight about it. Also when your talking about all of your non-leaning vehicles. Are you trying to tell me springs never sag? Egg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnaevd Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 also have no experience with rusty's but from word of mouth I've heard a whole hell of a lot more bad then I do good. I trusted the opinions of the guys on here in stayed away from Ol'Rusty. He lives in a poop factory for a shop i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabz Posted July 11, 2006 Author Share Posted July 11, 2006 On the front of my MJ I have allready replaced the front rustys spring , while I was in there I added a 3/4 spacer and another factory isolator to get the old girl to the 4.5" of lift I wanted ( I have a heavy azz bumper :eek: ). It Only took about 5 weeks of calling and wrestleing with rustys to get that taken care of :mad:. I guess the best thing to do would be to add another leaf to the pack and swap sides maybe that will get it close . It just kinda sucks that I bought a kit and have had such a load of greif with it , Well I guess ya live,learn and try not to make the same mistakes again :D Ever read my sig? Yeah, there's the occasional person who love's rusty's. I had somebody on JeepForum tell me that I was wrong about the LA kit that I had bought/installed, when he had done neither such things... Although, normally his springs are supposed to be fine, as I said, out-of-house. Yup I read your sig ................ a day late though :cry: I have had good rustys springs and a few other parts pass my way , they where good but seems that that was justa fluke :headpop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWLONGSHOT Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 One thing I just thought of.... When you installed the springs did you tighten the shackles with vehilce weight on them or with the @$$ up in the air? I did it with the @$$ in the air one time and got more lift untill one day after emptying a bed full of junk it was leaning BAD!!! Shackles should get the final tighting with wheels on the ground. Even then it sould be done AFTER a good "jouncing". If you did torque it with the wheels on the ground, a half assed fix may be just this....lift the dirvers side loosen and retighten the shackles. When you let it back down she will be level!!! Getto and NOT correct, but it could work if just for "looks". Sorry you are having such problems...its not right what Rustys does!!! CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabz Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 I left all of the bushings hand tight till it was at rest on the ground then I tightened them up , as far as the Ubolts I tightened them to spec in the air after I drove it for a while I retightened them. It wasnt till I started keeping the gas tank full that I started to notice the DS sag , It was sagged more to the front because of a collapsed coil :mad: Once I swapped out the coils I noticed the rear still sagged :cry: I don't know if it is because of the wait I had to get a new front coil outta rusty that allowed the rear to collapse more because of the added lean in the front . I am just disgusted with the whole deal , All I wanted was a lifted MJ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGHEEP Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 I think you just have a bad leaf pack. The same thing happened to me when I replaced my rear shackles. The truck sat fine when I started. I did one side at a time jacking up the truck, removing the old shackles and installing the new ones, not tightening the bolts. When I was done both sides and the truck was back on the ground I tightened the shackles and the truck still is sagged to one side in the rear. I think it is just from flexing out the old worn springs with the jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jage Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Cabz you sound just like me. I just wanted a lift and I spent weekends for two months putting Rusty's stuff on my XJ ... in my parents' driveway with only hand tools (I cut LCA bolts out of the frame with a hacksaw). Uphill both ways... haha, I know, can you imagine my amazement when I bought a sawzall? I'm not saying I was a well informed Jeeper... Anyway, it was a waste because I wound up replacing or refurbishing everything... and not at once, if it wasn't the front coils it was the rear leaves, it was the tranny skid that didn't fit or whatever. Over and over with each piece. The good news is the bolts are all loose. :headpop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabz Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 I think you just have a bad leaf pack. The same thing happened to me when I replaced my rear shackles. The truck sat fine when I started. I did one side at a time jacking up the truck, removing the old shackles and installing the new ones, not tightening the bolts. When I was done both sides and the truck was back on the ground I tightened the shackles and the truck still is sagged to one side in the rear. I think it is just from flexing out the old worn springs with the jack. The only diffrence is that I started with a brand new set of leafs and did both at the same time , I swapped in my D44 at the same time. I agree with you on the bad leaf pack my only problem is that I just spent MONTHS! trying to get rustys to make good on a bad coil can you picture what he'll say when I start calling about a bad leaf pack :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jage Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Ah, like me soon you will give up. Hell of a business strategy that man has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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