SomeNew Name Posted November 2, 2008 Posted November 2, 2008 Well, I went on quite the bender the other night and my jacket was stolen at the bar, the only set of keys to the comanche was in there :( Now I'm about to get it towed to my house but I would need the keys to put it into netrual so that it can be towed on a flatbed... a flat bed is my only option right now that's all the company has available until next friday... anyone know a way for me to get it into netrual without the keys? 4.0 AW4 4x4 thank you in advance for the help!
mvusse Posted November 2, 2008 Posted November 2, 2008 Shift the transfer case to neutral, forget about the transmission for now.
SomeNew Name Posted November 2, 2008 Author Posted November 2, 2008 can I do that? wouldn't I need the tranmission in netrual as well?
Wildman Posted November 2, 2008 Posted November 2, 2008 If you check for flat towing, you leave the tranny in 'park' and the transfer case in neutral, that's the same thing that your doing, the only problem you'll have is the steering wheel locked, hope your wheels are straight. And with the proper paper work, you can have a dealer cut you new keys, and get a spare set :doh:
JeepcoMJ Posted November 2, 2008 Posted November 2, 2008 worse come to worse with your keys, I have a couple brand new ignition tumblers with (two) matched keys that I could send you for cheap. gotta tear the steering column apart though.
Akula69 Posted November 2, 2008 Posted November 2, 2008 If you can get under the vehicle, and don't care about re-aligning the transmission later, you can pop the shift cable off the shift lever on the side of the transmission and shift is manually there. You also need to put the transfer case in neutral. MAKE DAYMN SURE YOU BLOCK TIRES FIRST !! I also have two ignition lock sets if that becomes necessary. Good Luck
Redramman Posted November 2, 2008 Posted November 2, 2008 BLOCK THE WHEELS first! so it won't run you over seems like you could get to T-case linkage from under truck. Is parking brake on? I geuss you could loosten cable. You could pull drive shaft but lots of oil will leak out.You would think tow driver would have a slim jim to unlock door.
mvusse Posted November 2, 2008 Posted November 2, 2008 Unlocking the door is not the problem. With the ignition in the lock position (the only position the key comes out), the transmission can't be shifted out of park.
Akula69 Posted November 2, 2008 Posted November 2, 2008 Unlocking the door is not the problem. With the ignition in the lock position (the only position the key comes out), the transmission can't be shifted out of park. I am not totally sure about this, but if you have a floor shift, can you not remove the lower dash valance, lover the steering column slightly (or more if you have fat hands like me) and disconnect the interlink for the key switch at the pull rod (near middle of column on outside top) and then just move the floor shift? Just a thought. If so, there would be no need to re-adjust the traans linkage.
brigarpeon Posted November 2, 2008 Posted November 2, 2008 You can pull the driveshafts from the transfer case and wire them up. Then pop a tierod to straighten the wheels if worse comes to worse.
SomeNew Name Posted November 3, 2008 Author Posted November 3, 2008 thank you everyone for the advice! Got the truck pulled back to my place on a flatbed, but I'm going to try to get the key code and see if I can get a key from the dealship, or a local locksmith, as well as the doors... while I'm at it I think a second set of keys is in order. thanks for the offers for the ignition lock sets,if it's not possible to get something from the dealership, I might have to takeyou up on the on it. :)
Geonovast Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 Shift the transfer case to neutral, forget about the transmission for now. No. Only if you're putting it on a trailer. Flatowing with the T-case in neutral is the same as driving in 4wd. There's no connection between wheels and transmission, but there is still a mechanical connection between the front and rear axles. You can put the tcase in neutral, but drop the front driveshaft as well. I just double checked with the 231 sitting on my workbench in the shed. Even in neutral, the yoke for the front D.S. and Output shaft spin together.
Geonovast Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 Shift the transfer case to neutral, forget about the transmission for now. No. Only if you're putting it on a trailer. Flatowing with the T-case in neutral is the same as driving in 4wd. There's no connection between wheels and transmission, but there is still a mechanical connection between the front and rear axles. You can put the tcase in neutral, but drop the front driveshaft as well. I just double checked with the 231 sitting on my workbench in the shed. Even in neutral, the yoke for the front D.S. and Output shaft spin together.
Lewt2007 Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 Shift the transfer case to neutral, forget about the transmission for now. No. Only if you're putting it on a trailer. Flatowing with the T-case in neutral is the same as driving in 4wd. There's no connection between wheels and transmission, but there is still a mechanical connection between the front and rear axles. You can put the tcase in neutral, but drop the front driveshaft as well. I just double checked with the 231 sitting on my workbench in the shed. Even in neutral, the yoke for the front D.S. and Output shaft spin together. but the jeep transfer cases have an oil pump on the output shaft of the transfer case my dad has been flat towing jeeps since the mid sixties and has had no problems after flat towing with the drive shafts hooked up. the pump spins while the t case is in neutral the pump still spins lubricating the case as it spins
Lewt2007 Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 Shift the transfer case to neutral, forget about the transmission for now. No. Only if you're putting it on a trailer. Flatowing with the T-case in neutral is the same as driving in 4wd. There's no connection between wheels and transmission, but there is still a mechanical connection between the front and rear axles. You can put the tcase in neutral, but drop the front driveshaft as well. I just double checked with the 231 sitting on my workbench in the shed. Even in neutral, the yoke for the front D.S. and Output shaft spin together. but the jeep transfer cases have an oil pump on the output shaft of the transfer case my dad has been flat towing jeeps since the mid sixties and has had no problems after flat towing with the drive shafts hooked up. the pump spins while the t case is in neutral the pump still spins lubricating the case as it spins
Geonovast Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 but the jeep transfer cases have an oil pump on the output shaft of the transfer case my dad has been flat towing jeeps since the mid sixties and has had no problems after flat towing with the drive shafts hooked up. the pump spins while the t case is in neutral the pump still spins lubricating the case as it spins That's not the concern. The problem is the same as driving in 4wd on dry pavement. The driveshafts will still spin regardless of what the T-case is in. If there's even a slight difference in tire size between the front and rear axles, it will cause the driveshafts to want to spin at different speeds. When that happens, you're risking breakage. Unless you have a Full Time case or a manually actuated vac disconnect on the front axle you're risking breaking something unless you drop the front shaft.
Geonovast Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 but the jeep transfer cases have an oil pump on the output shaft of the transfer case my dad has been flat towing jeeps since the mid sixties and has had no problems after flat towing with the drive shafts hooked up. the pump spins while the t case is in neutral the pump still spins lubricating the case as it spins That's not the concern. The problem is the same as driving in 4wd on dry pavement. The driveshafts will still spin regardless of what the T-case is in. If there's even a slight difference in tire size between the front and rear axles, it will cause the driveshafts to want to spin at different speeds. When that happens, you're risking breakage. Unless you have a Full Time case or a manually actuated vac disconnect on the front axle you're risking breaking something unless you drop the front shaft.
Lewt2007 Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 Jeep States that the d shafts do not need to be removed to tow the jeep just put the t case in neutral and tow away. http://www.jeep.com/en/4x4/how_systems_work/command_trac/
Lewt2007 Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 Jeep States that the d shafts do not need to be removed to tow the jeep just put the t case in neutral and tow away. http://www.jeep.com/en/4x4/how_systems_work/command_trac/
Pete M Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 That's for a modern t-case. The older ones are a bit different. From my 86 owners manual: When towing any further than 200 miles, stop every 200 miles and, with the t-case still in neutral, start the engine and place an auto trans in drive and a manual trans in 2nd gear and operate the engine at a fast idle for 1 minute to circulate oil in the t-case. And also: When towing with either the front or rear wheels up, limit to 30 mph and no greater than 15 miles.
Pete M Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 That's for a modern t-case. The older ones are a bit different. From my 86 owners manual: When towing any further than 200 miles, stop every 200 miles and, with the t-case still in neutral, start the engine and place an auto trans in drive and a manual trans in 2nd gear and operate the engine at a fast idle for 1 minute to circulate oil in the t-case. And also: When towing with either the front or rear wheels up, limit to 30 mph and no greater than 15 miles.
mvusse Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 Shift the transfer case to neutral, forget about the transmission for now. No. Only if you're putting it on a trailer. Flatowing with the T-case in neutral is the same as driving in 4wd. There's no connection between wheels and transmission, but there is still a mechanical connection between the front and rear axles. You can put the tcase in neutral, but drop the front driveshaft as well. I just double checked with the 231 sitting on my workbench in the shed. Even in neutral, the yoke for the front D.S. and Output shaft spin together. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but why would towing on a flat bed truck be any different than towing on a trailer? He did specify they only had a flat bed truck to tow him with.
mvusse Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 Shift the transfer case to neutral, forget about the transmission for now. No. Only if you're putting it on a trailer. Flatowing with the T-case in neutral is the same as driving in 4wd. There's no connection between wheels and transmission, but there is still a mechanical connection between the front and rear axles. You can put the tcase in neutral, but drop the front driveshaft as well. I just double checked with the 231 sitting on my workbench in the shed. Even in neutral, the yoke for the front D.S. and Output shaft spin together. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but why would towing on a flat bed truck be any different than towing on a trailer? He did specify they only had a flat bed truck to tow him with.
Pete M Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 "Flat towing" means dragging the truck behind the tow vehicle.
Pete M Posted November 6, 2008 Posted November 6, 2008 "Flat towing" means dragging the truck behind the tow vehicle.
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