Spinnakerblue89

Sorry to say that none of that was the case. I misremembered everything, there were three studs with metal retaining nuts (that's what I've always referred to them). Could've been the lighting, I dunno what. Anyhow, case closed, I got it all off. Now for those inner and outer seatbelt Torx bolts... Guess I better get the big boy toys out now.

Thinking about it, it did seem to resemble the bottom of a push pin, as if it was inserted backwards.

these look unlike most of not any Christmas tree I've dealt with. Perhaps I should take a picture? Might as well do that the next person who wonders about this can find this topic and know. If you're fairly confident that I have *a form* of a Christmas tree- I mean I wouldn't put it past Chrysler to let them just use whatever they had- I can give it a pry with my tool. I think there are two of them and they are aligned vertically at the back and outer edge of both B pillars, adjacent to one another. Funny to me, I am a quality engineer in the industry and at least on doors, I haven't seen actual Christmas tree in a few years. My customers have adopted bird beaks.

I'm back after a brief hiatus, working on other things which captivate my mind. There I was in the middle of removing carpet from the truck do that I can repair rust and identify sources of leaks. Getting back to it: In trying to remove the rear plastic molding, I seem to have stumbled upon small black, looks to be plastic, fasteners that hold it to the rear wall just below the window. What are these? Are they hardware that can be easily replaced? Do I break them off and replace them? I can post a picture when I get home. Also, shout out to SMS headliners for making a fine replacement for mine! I'll be posting about that when I'm ready to install later down the road!

Ya know for $30 I bought a used park bench at an estate auction. And lately I've been thinkin' it oughta look great in my Pioneer. I just gotta weld me a bracket. A true blue bonafide bench seat.

Nothing to make your truck look like it's actually got a purpose than to park it next to heavy equipment! Lol jk, like red, not sure I'd want a Comanche in bulldozer though, now that I can visualize it in your picture!

I believe my very Pioneer has those same wheels and centers. Three examples thus far.

Your decision having been made, reminds me of the colors I once saw on the Wrangler about twelve years ago. Two beige-orange colors. I think one was Bulldozer and I forget the other.

I mean this is about Comanches here but I get why you've come. Did you check Rock Auto, Mopar Parts Giant, Car ID? Quadratech? Where have you searched? Scrapyard? eBay?

Appreciate it, though I managed to obtain one from SMS Headliners a few days ago.

The metal tabs may need to be refashioned and attached, I might add. I'm sure it may not be a difficult task for those who can fab up whatever they need.

I wanted to put this out there for the world: Back in September, I came across a gray Pioneer at a scrapyard and I had the sense to snag the panel as I knew they weren't always easy to obtain. I still have it, and as far as I can tell, it is in tact. Point being, if a panel with its carpet is desired as a donor for reproduction by an able craftsman on this forum, or who runs a business and is interested in a donor piece strictly for reproduction, I am willing to donate it for a higher cause. Because restoring these old things isn't getting any easier.

Appreciate it!

Although I cannot be sure to the condition of mine; are these normally made from rubber/poly and are these known to break down and need replaced over time?

Haven't had the opp to try it out yet. I figure removing the carpet first-- it's all mangled in too many spots anyway, no use in me trying to save it-- and then if I have to, cut or drill the bolt out. 'Cuz it's more frozen than the permafrost of Hoth. It's gonna be my '93 ZJ all over again.

if -25° is warm to you, then it must blazing hot at 17° here in not-Hoth.

Boy oh boy, talk about reviving a dead topic? I thought I'd reply here as I never could find a detailed explanation on how to remove the seatbelts from the bench seat. "Remove sear belts" is pretty much it. Well it's actually not so bad but I want to expand for others who might have the same question as I did. Here's how I removed the seatbelts from the bench seat. The seat belts need to be pushed backwards through the cushion. But they won't fit because there is a plastic sleeve/escutcheon in the way. 1. Carefully pry up on the plastic sleeve by its edges. It took some force for me to pry on the driver side sleeve. They pop out and you may have to work at different sides of it. 2. Once popped, you can freely manipulate the seatbelt ends and the sleeve. 3. There may be a black plastic piece on the other side of the opening in the cushion. So reach underneath it pull down on it, move it out of the way, as it will make the task more difficult. Tugging on the seat belt near the floor may help. 4. Now free the seatbelt ends through the opening. Start with the sleeve: I had to pull them up a little and work a corner of the sleeve into the opening first. You'll get a feel for it, just be patient and push it all through as a unit. Tugging down at the bottom side of the seat belt will help you get it through. Bonus. Hope that the Torx bolt on the trans tunnel isn't frozen. I busted a T50 bit on one.

Hoth, that's funny! It's interesting seeing a sunroof in a Comanche. I personally wouldn't want one but I'm seldom disappointed with the craftsmanship that goes into the mods. My late father added one to his 1990 Ranger-- and incidentally, I used the cut out steel to repair floor boards in my ZJ. I noticed there was a posting by SMS headliners late the year last. I'll go back to it before I make any decisions.

I am finally getting around to ripping the interior out of the truck to replace the floorboards- so while I'm in there, I'm going to put in a headliner of sorts. When I bought my '89, there was no headliner at all, not even the board. I've scoured the internetz looking for replacement ideas. I'm left with one end goal in mind, but multiple ways to reach it. What's the consensus on using material such as cork board for the headliner board? Is there another alternative? I don't have access to a used Cherokee or another Comanche headliner either. Essentially I'll be using denim from worn out pairs of jeans of mine as material, and the back pockets would be used for map or document storage above. Since my truck is Spinnaker blue and the interior golden tan, I figured using denim for the material would look just fine and save on material cost, but the rigid back piece...? Unfortunately I don't have any Levi's, so I can't say this will be the unicorn Jeep Comanche Pioneer Levi's Edition.

It seems Chrysler decided to simplify the design when they reduced the total from 7 to 3 pieces then.

That must be a unicorn of sorts.

Thank you, Eaglescout, that summed it up very clearly. In what time period does the 21-slot fit in? early 80's Cherokee? Wagoneer? Fiatslug, I deeply appreciate the references. I'm wanting to swap in the black/argent grille you have on CMNCHE 2- I currently have CMNCHE 1's grill and it's past its prime to say the least.

So the front end of my '89 Pioneer truck is in need of a refresh. Panels and some light assemblies are so faded, worn, chipped, and even cracked that I think it's a good time while parked to replace it all. I've been searching online and comparing offerings- have noticed that some grills are reputed to only fit (for example) '84-'87, then '88-'89, '91-'96... Etc. I get the Cherokee grills should be fully compatible, I merely want to know if I can swap out my '89's cracked black grill with a black/argent one reputed to not be compatible with my my model year. I understand if I were to try a '97+ grill I may run into fitment issues, but won't all pre-'97 grills fit the same? On a related note, I'd like to add that I recently did the headlight harness upgrade, added Sylvania Silverstar Ultras, and replaced the awful Sunpie LED headlights from a PO with glass ones made by IPF (non sealed-beam, of course). So far, they are brighter than the Xenon headlights I had in my Escape! Wow what a massive diff! I included pics of the headlights at night so that if there is anyone wondering how the IPFs turned out, or any newcomers stumble upon this they can see for themselves. I do on occasion have people flash at me in the dark only to for them to realize it was only my low beams they were seeing. They may be aimed a bit too high, I concede, but with redoing the front end, it would be the ideal time to adjust them. Thanks, all. EDIT: Apparently the images show up messy, so unless anyone has suggestions as to why they would show up as vertical lines, I removed them for now...

So I just returned from vacation- thanks to everyone who provided input. It sounds to me like what I have put in will work okay, is that a correct assessment? I took the time to refresh the grounds diligently. Scraped paint, cleaned surfaces, I even replaced the eyelets on the ends of the grounds as the previous were getting oxidized and I know the grounds are not to be taken lightly on these suckers. I mean everything works fine, I suppose I'm just used to different outputs from the light assemblies on other vehicles. Heh? My ZJ and MJ are both similar now that I've compared the two. My Discovery 2 is also different as is my Ranger. The more ya know.

Update: So I went through my assortment of exterior light bulbs and just for the heck of it, I had some Zevo LED reds that I put in the brake light sockets, and now when I have them inserted, the turn signals across funky. Both the turn signals bulb and brake light bulbs illuminate on that side, happens for either turn signals. Is this a ground issue? Polarity-related? I had these in another vehicle that I took out before selling it and I don't recall there being any issues at all- but said truck was much newer. I'm not committed to the Zevos but hey since I had them, why not try it out.