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Front floor pans are rust prone, and as mentioned above the frame area by the gas tank is frequently rusted out. The design held crud there, especially if you had the factory skid plate, and promoted rust. The arches over the rear axle are another point. And '87 will have D44's front and rear, but atrocious gear ratio's like 2.71/1. The BEST you could hope for is 3.21/1. I have not been a fan of the 219/229 transfer cases and on Monday I sold some leftover FSj spare parts, a 727/208 combo, to a guy replacing a junk 229. A negative of Waggy's is that they take a ton of lift to fit any kind of tire due to smallish wheel well openings in the rear. You either have to go high or sawzall them to fit any kind of tire. I always had FSJ Cherokees and fit 33's on a non lifted '79 Chief. http://www.ifsja.org are the FSJ gods, IMHO.

They weren't GRAND Wagoneers, just Wagoneers, prior to the XJ Wagoneer's introduction in '84. Prior to that, the top-line Waggy trim that looked like the later Grand was the Limited. The basic 360 will be the same although there may be some accessory differences. The '79 -down PS pump had SAE fittings while the '80 and newer had metric fittings, for example. But all of that should swap from original to donor, IIRC. Good luck.

I am not sure about that. Ill bet that a little research would show that most everything that was designed to tow trailers has a gross trailer weight greater than the vehicle. I'll bet 3,500 #'s was the low trailer limit for MJ's, and that MJ's with a tow package had a 5,000# tow rating, well above the vehicle's curb weight. Modern half-ton pick ups are rated to tow nealrly 10,000 pounds-nearly 2 tons more than they weigh. A modern diesel dually is rated to tow over 20,000 #'s in factory trim! KJ's are rated at 3,500 pounds without th etow package, and that is below their curb weight. But the tow package, which adds nothing suspension wise only cooling parts upgrades, gets the rating to 5K, above the curb weight. The OP's dad was doing nothing bad if he was towing a combined trailer weight of < 5k. Especailly with electric brakes, which usually aren't even on trailers that can't tow 5K or better, let alone one that squats at 3.5K

Muffler specs please?

I can do 1 in a booster and 2 out in the KJ. I am exploring some options

Thanks! Mine are rarely drunk... :D

My heartfelt thanks to all of you who served or are still serving. :USAflag:

Can you put three people across the back seat of an XJ? The current ages are 10, 7, & 6. How long do you think the would fit back there?

Thank you. The mounting bolts for the hoop straddle the floor support so perfectly that it looks to have been made for this bed. It is actually a "sport" or "light" bar as it offers no structural support.

The Dakota bars do like great.

You think that because it didn't come from Rough Country... :yes:

OK: Here is my roll bar thingy: top mounts I bought it through craigslist and had a friend pick it up as it was about 150 miles from me. I only spoke to the seller by phone so I never saw the doner truck. The seller said that the bar came on the donor truck when he bought it new. It could be a dealer-installed item and not "factory," I guess. I did not ask what the oiginal truck was beyond confirming it was a short bed. Any ideas anyone?

OK: Here is my roll bar thingy: top mounts Going to cross-post into tech to see if anyone recognizes it

The bar is more of an appearance item & is not original to my truck. I installed it Tuesday. I need to get some more pics of the roll bar to find out what it is: it appears to be aluminum and all 4 "feet" bolt to attachment points & the down bars attach to the main hoop via T55 torx nuts that go over carriage bolts. The "feet" are bolted through the sheet metal. The thing "smells" of jeep and their torx fascination. In addition, the person that I bought it from was the original owner of the donor MJ & he said the truck was bought new with the bar. That leaves the possibility of a aftermarket bar installed by a dealer. A friend got it for me off of craigslist in Ft Wayne, IN and I never saw the donor truck.

"this is the first poor customer service I've heard of from Rough country." "it usually takes a few calls to get all of the parts you're supposed to get. " Most people would think that these two statements cancel one another out? :dunno:

I totally disagree: THEY set up this business model in selling their kits through distributors. Fewer manufacturers sell both retail and wholsesale but R.C. chooses to do business this way: no one makes them. To treat people poorly for using the system that they created is shabby, IMHO. THEY recieved money for the missing parts and THEY failed to send them twice, even if the money came from Hellcreek and not from me directly. Their being angry for consumers using their system is beyond silly. Hellcreek has treated me very well. They paid R.C for these parts, and I do not expect Hellcreek to cough up the parts that R.C. refuses to provide. Look at it this way: Using the process that I provide, you send me money for parts and pay me to ship them to your buddy. I take your money but refuse to send the parts despite being made aware of the issue. How much do you want to bet that you would probably call me a thief? So, why is it different if it is a company involved and not an individual? I and Hellcreek followed their process.

To paraphrase from my build thread: I bought my 4.5" Rough Country lift kit through Hellcreek for the 10% discount. I received excellent customer service from Hellcreek and it is the exact same kit as you get directly from Rough Country as it was drop shipped from Rough Country. That being said, I am done with Rough Country. Numerous items were missing from the kit: rear u-bolts, promised brake line drop brackets, extended sway bar links. From http://www.roughcountry.com/jeep_mj_4.html: Part #: 626S 1986 - 1993 Jeep MJ Comanche 4.5" SuspensionKit Contents: Front: Lifted coil springs, lower control arms, transfer case drop kit, extended sway-bar links, brake line relocation brackets & hardware. Rear: Add-a-leafs, shackles & hardware. Shocks: Includes (4) Hydro 8000 series shocks. I called R.C. and the rude dude on the phone refused to aid me. Some B.S about the extra parts box only being inlcuded in the XJ kit, but not in the MJ kit with the same part #.... :fs1: Hellcreek intervened and got them to send the stuff out...except all that showed up were the u-bolts on another drop-ship from R.C. We ended up making our own extended sway bar links and, using tips from here, relocated the brake lines. The pics for the kit show long AAL's and short ones were sent. Numerous items from the included instructions did not match what was sent. The invoice showed they had no pre-made kits "quantity on hand" and it looks like they have a list of parts they DID have and just sent what they had, and to heck with the rest. I am going to TRY to get the rest of the stuff sent as I paid for it, but I do not hold out much hope. My impression of Hellceek is outstanding but Rough Country is the exact opposite. I am not sure why one is aligned with the other.

I bought the kit through Hellcreek for the 10% discount. I received excellent customer service from them and it is the exact same kit as it was drop shipped from Rough Country. That being said, I am done with Rough Country. Numerous items were missing from the kit: rear u-bolts, promised brake line drop brackets, extended sway bar links. I called R.C. and the rude dude on the phone refused to aid me. Some B.S about the extra parts box only being inlcuded in the XJ kit, but not in the MJ kit with the same part #.... :fs1: Hellcreek intervened and got them to send out the stuff out...except all that showed up were the u-bolts on another drop-ship from R.C. We ended up making our own extended sway bar links and, using tips from here, relocated the brake lines. The pics for the kit show long AAL's and short ones were sent. Numerous items from the included instructions did not match what was sent. The invoice showed they had no pre-made kits "quantity on hand" and it looks like the have a list of parts they DID have and just sent what they had, and to heck with the rest. I am going to TRY to get the rest of the stuff sent as I paid for it, but I do not hold out much hope.

Nothing wrong with unibody...all mopar cars from about '60 on were unibody, including all of the monster 426 Hemi cars. I towed trailers very well with a unibody B350 one-ton Dodge van,

Well, I have no idea what I have. It fits perfectly and is assembled using T55 torx bit "nuts" that slide over carriage bolts to attache the down bars to "feet" bolted to the sheet metal. Definitely not a true "roll bar" and no apparent provision for a frame tie-in. Pics toooomorrow.

New photo: I made some additions since this pic but it got dark before I could get pics....

BTW: For bow tie fans, the red chevy in the background of pics #3 & 4 is a '62 SS409 Impala with a dual-4V's and 4spd.... it belongs to my buddy with the nice garage. The engine is currently in his workshop where it is being miracle-gro'd to 482 inches. He also has a 348 tri-power 4spd '60. In front of the '62, behind the chopped chevy truck with a C5 drivetrain and suspension, is a tube-chassised '67 Cutlass powered by a 650hp Indy-headed Mopar 440.

On, in black. single or double. A satin finish black works well IMHO. Although it renders the bed pretty useless, mounting the spare on the floor of the bed between the roll bar down bars keeps it out of your view.

I have picked up what I believe to be a factory roll bar out of a SWB Chief but I am not sure of the correct way to mount it. It has studs out of the bottom of the "feet". Any help, especially pics and or measurements if needed, would be appreciated.