thank you gentlemen , and thank you pat for posting that, -as soon as this rain stops i will go out and find out exactly what i have in both trucks.
cw and wildman -i will definitely look into that linkage issue , that would be a great thing if my issue turns out to be a simple fix like that. although i didnt think it would be possible for the tc to just be not-quite-in like that. (like when a tranny slips out of gear, -it has to be manually put back in).