88swampedmj Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 right now i have a d35 rear and d30 front for my comanche with 4.10s... i came across a guy today that will sell me his toyota 8" with 4.10s and welded spider gears for $250 or so... but my question is should i get that or hold out for a d44 or ford 8.8?
feerocknok Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 I saw a guy running 38s on his welded Toy, did dandy. They seem to be quite strong, but to be honest, I don't know the strength of a 44.
rejeep Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 get it, run it, break it, UPGRADE :D rinse and repeat
Pete M Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 What's the wheel bolt pattern on that particular Toy axle? Jeep on! --Pete
88swampedmj Posted April 12, 2006 Author Posted April 12, 2006 not sure ill ask him though...i hope it doesnt break haha i think i just may get it..
CWLONGSHOT Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 If this is the V6 axle it has quite a following. It is very stout as well as about the profile of the D35. meaning you get a much stronger axle with out dragging you arse around!! the down falls are the need to fiddle with metric brake lines/threads and the bolt pattern difference from front to rear after the install. As it was said to me, Someone has to be the gunie pig...you might as well be him!!! :-D :D CW
DirtyComanche Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 Yeah, it matter which toy axle. The V6 one is great, 6 on something bolt patttern normally (matches grand wagoneers, if you want a front axle). The 4cyl one blows goats.
88swampedmj Posted April 12, 2006 Author Posted April 12, 2006 the guy said he also has one that is a little wider is that the better one? i don't want the one that isnt good because i don't wanna spend 200+ on a axle crappy as my d35
feerocknok Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 They're both good, just the more narrow one was replaced by one that was, I believe, 3" wider. The older one with larger tires and good flex would hit the tires on the frame. The strength is the same, unless it's a V-6, then it's even stronger. Both are good.
88swampedmj Posted April 12, 2006 Author Posted April 12, 2006 sounds cool but ill try to get the wider one...is it as a wide as a d30? what is the bolt pattern on the 8"
whowey Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 Toyota used a 6 lug pattern for awhile, it matches the axles on a FSJ.
feerocknok Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 Also matches Dodge, Nissan, and Chevy. Very universal, but not to a Comanche. Since you'll need new rims, finding the appropriate backspacing can match your track to your front end.
88swampedmj Posted April 12, 2006 Author Posted April 12, 2006 what about the drive shafts? are they going to bolt up..or am i going to have to find a adapter piece
Pete M Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 As good as the deal might seem, personally I'd still just hold out for a Ford 8.8 and only have to do the work once. Jeep on! --Pete
feerocknok Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 Yeah, I think I agree with Pete. It'd be a good swap, but $250's kind of alot. I got my whole Toy for $300; I'm sure you could find a wrecked, bad motor, or bad tranny, 2wd Toy for cheap or very close to free, and just pull it off there. Or spend the $250 and get an 8.8 off of an unknowing person.
88swampedmj Posted April 12, 2006 Author Posted April 12, 2006 oh i guess i may wait then and get an 8.8...thats what my friend has and hes pretty happy with it...i was just gonna ask a few people to see whats better....thanks guys
DirtyComanche Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 I'd say depending: You want to go moderatly big and replace the D30, then I'd get it and a matching waggy front. Waggy fronts are cheap to buy, but you'll have to regear them. But the width will be the same as that of the wider toy axle, at least I'm pretty sure it'll be almost bang on. But if you're not looking to replace the D30, get an 8.8. They're nice and easy.
pingpong Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 I will weigh in on this cause I am running the 8.8, and thught about running the toy axles, also almost did the waggy axle thing too. The 8.8 straight out the box has 4.10's lsd, and disc brakes if you get it off a 96 or newer. The bad gear slection is limited. only up to 4.56 in the aftermarket, Ford has 4.88's available through the stealership. The Axle is almost an 1.5 inches narrower, and If you plan on flexing your rig, wheel spacers would be needed. Toy axles. Cheap. Center sections drop out making swapping gears relatively easy. Disc brake kits are available. Gear and locker selection is also great. Waggy axles. D44 has a huge amount of support. Can be found cheap in an old rusted out FSJ. Forgot to mention the isuzu 44. Disc brakes, 4.56 gears, and did I mention easy to find. Keep in mind all of the above axles are good up to about a 37" maybe a 38 if you run alloy shafts. Much bigger then that and you have to go with D60's or bigger :twisted: Swapping the rear axle can be accomplished with minimal amount of tools and moderate wrenching experience. Front axle swap is a lil more difficult and will require moderate to severe experience especially if you plan on welding on all your own brakets. Now for the disclaimer These are my opinions, and not neccesarily those of fellow board members.
88swampedmj Posted April 12, 2006 Author Posted April 12, 2006 then i might just talk the guy down...as much as i can... since its there...the right gears and locked and iam only running 33s then maybe 35s... does anyone know how much i could get for my d35, 4.10s and a lockright?
Pete M Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 Personnally I don't consider the waggy front end to be all that much better than a Dana 30 with 297 joints. It's plenty of work to swap one in just to get the same joints and a low pinon. And I wouldn't think too hard about the Toy rear unless I was swapping the front to match the rim pattern. Even if the axle was totally free I'd just resell it to help pay for a better axle. I found a junkyard kinda-near me selling Ford 8.8s for $100. Jeep on! --Pete
pingpong Posted April 12, 2006 Posted April 12, 2006 The problem with trying to sell a D35 is everybody is upgrading to something better. with everything you listed, you probrably would get more if you put it on ebay and was to sell just the gears and lockers, then sell the shafts and brake parts in another auction. Problem is the MJ rear only fits MJ's. XJ/YJ/TJ/ZJ owners would all have to make new mounting points.
88swampedmj Posted April 13, 2006 Author Posted April 13, 2006 uh oh...so i can't put the d35 off my cherokee on to my comanche easily???
pingpong Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 You are going to have to relocate your spring perches. On the XJ they are wider apart. YOu can go buy new paerches from Advance auto parts through their Mr. Gasket catalog, or you can make you own out of tubing. The only axles that swap directly in the rear of a MJ is an axle out of another MJ. The front axles, from the TJ,ZJ,xj all bolt right in. I am glad that we pointed this out to you before you went and tried this. Patrick
DirtyComanche Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 You have to weld new spring perches on. You could go SOA with the ones that are already there, with predictably bad results. It's not hard. Just gotta cut the old ones off and weld new ones on.
88swampedmj Posted April 13, 2006 Author Posted April 13, 2006 oh ill just go spring over with the cherokee axle..
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