kentsu66 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Hi all. My brother @jamespwsullivan and I were at a junkyard near me recently and we came across an interesting 2-door Cherokee. I couldn't find a VIN tag and the label on the driver's door was faded. The yard IDs it as an '87. Anyway, we found a riveted tag on the driver's door sill which indicates it was a Washington (state) Dept. of Natural Resources rig. (See first photo.) Also, it had a hood prop that goes across the front, along the top of the radiator support. Because my brother recently mounted a ground busbar in his '87 Comanche that interferes with the stock hood prop catch, we grabbed this assembly and installed it in the same manner that it was on the Cherokee. (See second photo. Neither of us thought to take pictures of the Cherokee before removing it.) Have any of y'all seen a prop like this on an XJ or MJ? It looks kinda like a YJ hood prop but the mount for those is on the passenger side, IIRC. It all looks to be factory rather than homemade. Thanks for any insights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglescout526 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 20 minutes ago, kentsu66 said: Have any of y'all seen a prop like this on an XJ or MJ Yes. My 84 has it. AMC used it from 84 to early 87. It changed to the later small prop in late 87 early 88. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle_SX4 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 I also have one on my 87 4.0. Just watch your fingers when opening the hood when the engine is running. The mechanical fan is really close to your fingers. Probably why they went away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentsu66 Posted August 29 Author Share Posted August 29 Thanks to you both. Appreciate the safety tip--the vehicle has electric fans now with a close-fitting shroud. I looked again in the 1984-1986 parts book (scan available on xjjeeps.com) and found it, on drawing 23A-3900 (PDF page 1280). Interestingly, neither the bracket and bolts that hold it down nor the catch/clip appear to be shown in the drawing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 It’s in the 86-87 parts manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle_SX4 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 5 minutes ago, fiatslug87 said: It’s in the 86-87 parts manual. Interesting that it shows both long and short hood prop rods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentsu66 Posted August 29 Author Share Posted August 29 1 hour ago, Eagle_SX4 said: Interesting that it shows both long and short hood prop rods Yes--and it shows the transverse rod attaching on the passenger side. The Cherokee from which we liberated these pieces was attached on the driver's side. The parts book scan from xjjeeps.com also appears to show it attaching on the driver's side but does not show the bracket. Maybe the book that @fiatslug87 has is aftermarket? I don't recognize the layout or fonts as being Jeep/AMC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 18 minutes ago, kentsu66 said: Maybe the book that @fiatslug87 has is aftermarket? I don't recognize the layout or fonts as being Jeep/AMC... Nope, it came from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 It’s also in the 87-90 parts catalog, items 33-37 are listed for ‘87 and omitted in the 91-92 catalog. It attaches to the driver’s side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentsu66 Posted August 29 Author Share Posted August 29 44 minutes ago, fiatslug87 said: It’s also in the 87-90 parts catalog, items 33-37 are listed for ‘87 and omitted in the 91-92 catalog. It attaches to the driver’s side. Thanks. Very cool to see some version of a parts book showing the prop as we encountered it, with all of the pieces. Soooo--are there two completely different editions / printings of Jeep parts books? The ones on xjjeeps.com don't include the covers but the interior pages look completely different, formatting-wise -- and they're also landscape orientation instead of what you have, which is obviously portrait. Given the amount of work to create something like a parts book, it blows my mind that Jeep / AMC / MoPar would have done it TWICE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle_SX4 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 5 minutes ago, kentsu66 said: Soooo--are there two completely different editions / printings of Jeep parts books? Chrysler made their own books after they bought AMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 The 87-90 and 91-92 parts manuals I have are the old school binders that were used back in the day at the dealership parts counter. The service manuals are to the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglescout526 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 2 hours ago, kentsu66 said: it blows my mind that Jeep / AMC / MoPar would have done it TWICE! Well yes. They’re not gonna reprint AMC on what they own. They’re gonna brand them all with Mopar. Interesting enough, you could go to the parts counter and order these books. More than likely this is one of those situations where it was ordered to either replace a torn up AMC catalog or a customer wanted such. I have AMC parts books of 84-85 and 86-87 of Jeep. 88 in mopar. 1 hour ago, fiatslug87 said: The 87-90 and 91-92 parts manuals I have are the old school binders that were used back in the day at the dealership parts counter. The service manuals are to the left. Ooooo so that’s what the 91-92 service manuals look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentsu66 Posted August 30 Author Share Posted August 30 2 hours ago, fiatslug87 said: The 87-90 and 91-92 parts manuals I have are the old school binders that were used back in the day at the dealership parts counter. Thanks. Those binders contain the books like the ones you show above in the thread, correct? The ones with the portrait orientation of the drawings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvagedcircuit Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 hours ago, fiatslug87 said: The 87-90 and 91-92 parts manuals I have are the old school binders that were used back in the day at the dealership parts counter. The service manuals are to the left. That's some dedication right there. #LifeGoals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentsu66 Posted August 30 Author Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, eaglescout526 said: Well yes. They’re not gonna reprint AMC on what they own. They’re gonna brand them all with Mopar. Interesting enough, you could go to the parts counter and order these books. More than likely this is one of those situations where it was ordered to either replace a torn up AMC catalog or a customer wanted such. I have AMC parts books of 84-85 and 86-87 of Jeep. 88 in mopar. When I compare the layout, typography, drawings, etc. between the scans on xjjeeps.com and the snippets that @fiatslug87 posted, they are very, very different. Having been a tech writer at some points of my career, the differences I see between the two are much more than (for example) simply a branding change. The MoPAR books have a totally-new layout, page design, typography, etc. The data (information) could have been brought over -- but c.1990 -- easy transfer of info between publishing systems was largely still a dream for the future. I'm just surprised that Chrysler went to that much effort. What I would have assumed (not knowing what I know now) would have been minimal, along the lines of just a simple branding change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 35 minutes ago, kentsu66 said: Thanks. Those binders contain the books like the ones you show above in the thread, correct? The ones with the portrait orientation of the drawings? The binders (87-90 and 91-92) are all loose leaf, the 86-87 was bound and all are portrait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, Salvagedcircuit said: That's some dedication right there. #LifeGoals I just like physical books more than images on a screen, must be my age , although I did pdf the whole 86-87 and 87-90 parts catalogs, many hundreds of pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglescout526 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, Salvagedcircuit said: That's some dedication right there. #LifeGoals Just to add to the jealousy haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvagedcircuit Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 20 minutes ago, eaglescout526 said: Just to add to the jealousy haha. Hahaha. excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentsu66 Posted August 30 Author Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, fiatslug87 said: I just like physical books more than images on a screen, must be my age , although I did pdf the whole 86-87 and 87-90 parts catalogs, many hundreds of pages. I prefer physical books too unless there is something I know the name of but not where it is in the book. In that case, having a PDF with OCR can be very helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, eaglescout526 said: Just to add to the jealousy haha. How many MR277s do you need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglescout526 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Just now, fiatslug87 said: How many MR277s do you need? Hahaha apparently 2. The skinny one believe it or not is the body shop manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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