87MJTIM Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Does this look correct? I got the alignment fixed after 2" pucks were put on. The shop put these spacers on. The rear has General Springs that gave it a 3" lift. Image Not Found Image Not Found Since this was done, I have been experiencing shaking around 50 to 60 mph. When it starts to shake, I easy off the gas. and the shake goes away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokermjcomanche Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Never seen those before, except on ford vans and trucks . They should have used offset ball joints . My guess is that when those camber / caster bushings were installed , not only did it change your camber but it put your caster out of spec . Do you have an printout of your alignment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87MJTIM Posted May 25, 2014 Author Share Posted May 25, 2014 Caster: Left 5.7 right 5.0 Camber: L 0.3 R -0.2 Toe: L 0 R 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokermjcomanche Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Caster should be around 7.5 degrees if not more . Camber and caster should be equal on both sides (even if measurements are within specs ) . And there should be a (roughly an 1/8th) of toe in . that being said I'm Leary of those bushings and I would double check to make sure nothing is loose ( ball joints , bushings , track bar, tie rod ends , etc ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyav8r Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 There's less than a full nut engagement. Looks like just enough to fit an undersized cotter pin. Possibly safe, but I'll pass on using that method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87MJTIM Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Follow up: The wobble has gotten worse. The alignment is WAY OUT! I have eaten through my front tires. I took it to a tire shop to have new eyes look at it and get two new tires. The guys there looked at the "work" done by the prior group and cringed. What ever the prior guys did only made the problems worse. Now, they say they cannot adjust the camber because the ball joints are bad. Also, the shims that were installed should not have been on the bottom of the knuckle, but on the top ( :dunno: ). We'll see what the final out come is. (Most mechanical work is done by a client. We barter services. He sent the truck to another shop to have the alignment done originally. I didn't pay $$ for the work. I guess I got what I paid for.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 What is your gear ratio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87MJTIM Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Diff's are 3.07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Never mind...........if you had a more common ratio...... However, I'd be looking for a new front axle and scrap that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87MJTIM Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 if you had a more common ratio...... Correct me if I am wrong, but the 3.07 was all that came with the 4.0 5spd. That is a pretty "common ratio." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 if you had a more common ratio...... Correct me if I am wrong, but the 3.07 was all that came with the 4.0 5spd. That is a pretty "common ratio." The 3.55 came in most XJs on up through '01 and are a dime a dozen around here. There is literally a pile of them at one of yards here....your pick for $125 all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 if you had a more common ratio...... Correct me if I am wrong, but the 3.07 was all that came with the 4.0 5spd. That is a pretty "common ratio." The 3.55 came in most XJs on up through '01 and are a dime a dozen around here. There is literally a pile of them at one of yards here....your pick for $125 all day long. The 3.55 ratio was standard for all 4.0L XJs and MJs with the automatic. 87MJTIM is correct, the 3.07 ratio was used with the 4.0L 5-speed through the entire production run of the XJ and MJ, from 1987 through 2001. I would call that a "common" axle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 if you had a more common ratio...... Correct me if I am wrong, but the 3.07 was all that came with the 4.0 5spd. That is a pretty "common ratio." The 3.55 came in most XJs on up through '01 and are a dime a dozen around here. There is literally a pile of them at one of yards here....your pick for $125 all day long. The 3.55 ratio was standard for all 4.0L XJs and MJs with the automatic. 87MJTIM is correct, the 3.07 ratio was used with the 4.0L 5-speed through the entire production run of the XJ and MJ, from 1987 through 2001. I would call that a "common" axle. Yeah, really? With your logic the 4.10 8.25 would be common too since it came behind the AX5. I scour CL on a nearly daily basis, 6-7 cities a night for Jeep parts, have been for the last 2.5 years or so. When I set out to find a 4.10 8.25, I searched 3-4 hours per day going through every Jeep listing in a 400 mile radius of me. I had every JY in my area search, I searched every yard in my area, stopped and asked at shops that had junk piles, spoke to guys who had home-shops, racers......whoever.......wherever.....anyone who might be able to find me one. The one I found was not even listed for sale, it was listed in an ad for an XJ as an extra throw-in part, I called and convinced the seller to sell it to me directly. So, effectively there has not been a 4.10 8.25 listed for sale in a 400 mile radius of me in 2.5 years......notta.....and the only lose one I found, I have. When I set out to find something I am unrelenting, I will find it. The OP may have one given to him today for free, or he may spend the next 4 months looking for it. Maybe you should find him one, a GOOD one, since they are so 'common'. Good job for you, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokermjcomanche Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 To the OP : "TheDude" has a for sale post with both the front and Axles ( Dana 30 /35 ) for $50 each with a 3.07 ratio . He's located in Pittsburg . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87MJTIM Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. Currently, I am not looking to swap axles. Maybe in the future. I have a D44 in the rear which I am not willing to give up. Maybe change the R&P to a 3.55 at which time I will get a non-CAD D30 from a later model XJ. My original question was what the first shop did to my knuckle to "fix" the alignment. That (apparently) has made the problem worse. For right now, I am getting the current problems fixed. Thanks again. I really do appreciate the comments and suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankTheDog Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 As to why you can't find 4.10's. Only approx 20% of XJ's were 4 cylinders. That's why it's hard to find 4.10's. I'm guessing that with manual 4.0's it would be close to 30% of XJ's had them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Getting back to the original post: Image Not Found Maybe I'm losing my sense of spatial orientation but ... does a tapered shim in that position do ANYTHING to change the caster or camber angle? I need to go out and look more closely at my pile of old axles, because I don't think that shim does anything other than to make the front end dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 As to why you can't find 4.10's. Only approx 20% of XJ's were 4 cylinders. That's why it's hard to find 4.10's. I'm guessing that with manual 4.0's it would be close to 30% of XJ's had them. I would guess that for the Renix era and for MJs, the percentage of 4.0L 5-speeds would be significantly higher than 30%. In fact, having spent a lot of time hanging around the dealership where I bought my '88 XJ, I'd say the percentage is higher than 30% for XJs, as well (for the Renix years, anyway). The percentage of vehicles with automatics became steadily higher as fewer and fewer people knew how to drive a manual transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87MJTIM Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 Getting back to the original post: Image Not Found Maybe I'm losing my sense of spatial orientation but ... does a tapered shim in that position do ANYTHING to change the caster or camber angle? I need to go out and look more closely at my pile of old axles, because I don't think that shim does anything other than to make the front end dangerous. I was told the shim is to adjust the caster. I have 2" spacers up front. HOWEVER, this was not done to the passenger's side?!?!? Background to this whole issue: In May, the left axle seal blew out. Gear oil spilled out all over the LF wheel. The 1st shop had to remove the wheel and axle to replace the seal. While they had it apart, I asked for an alignment. And so, my story began.... Follow up to the follow up: The ball joints were perfectly fine. The original shop to do the alignment did not tighten the nuts on to the threads. The current shop told me I was very luck that the wheel did not come off. I now have to wonder why the 2nd shop just did check the ball joints to begin with, rather then tell me I needed new ones? (I need to convince my wife I need a lift and tools to do the work myself. I don't see that happening in my lifetime.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 OP- you got a problem, how are you going to fix it? that is the only question to be answer here. If I were you....maybe you missed the point.....I'd find a good clean well cared for 97-00 D30, low miles, and swap it out. Buy new TREs. Get your alignment solved. Leave your DS out for the time being. When you have the funds and the time pay a shop to swap out the 3.07 gears from your current D30. Whatever happened to your current D30......bent...spun axle tube.......dumbasses at some shop.....whatever........IT IS NOT WORTH THE MONEY YOU WILL PUT INTO A 27 YEAR OLD AXLE! Especially not a CAD axle........It's a POS to start with. New BJs will run you $50 each plus installation.......$400 or so........>WHY???????? You can think your way through this or not.......YOUR choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 OP- in light of your last post you can disregard my post above.....however, my point stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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