77mud Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 Parked the truck this morning, went to crank it to move it just a fem minute's ago, It will crank up but shut's off immediately when releasing the Key. If you hold the Key with the starter engaged it will stay running fine. I tried by passing the Ballest resistor on the driver side fender with no luck, Any idea's what could be wrong?
Geonovast Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 "Running fine" with the starter engaged isn't running. It's being turned by the starter. Have you verified fuel, spark?
77mud Posted March 18, 2013 Author Posted March 18, 2013 No the engine actually run's I know the starter is engaged, BUT the truck is actually running, and it will rev up, I just poped the supply line off, when you turn the key to the Run position you don't get anything. no fuel until you turn the truck over. also sometime's you can turn the Key over sometime's and it won't do anything. at all, also none of the gauge's work, fuel gauge has never worked, but the temp gauge is pinned at 260, oil pressure is pinned at 20 or so, and the battery gauge never moves.
77mud Posted March 18, 2013 Author Posted March 18, 2013 sounds like the ignition switch went out That is what i am wondering...
77mud Posted March 19, 2013 Author Posted March 19, 2013 This may sound like a stupid question, but where is the Ignition switch? it is dark out side and I am quiting for tonight, but i didnt see it on the bottom of the collum did i miss it? or is it located else were? I know on the ford i had to change the ignition switch on it was mounted to the bottom of the collum...
ftpiercecracker1 Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 If i am not mistaken the ignition switch is what you put your key into, in the column.
77mud Posted March 19, 2013 Author Posted March 19, 2013 That is the Key tumbler, If I'm not mistakin, i know that on my old ford (96) it had a actuator rod that went from the key to the ignition switch
Geonovast Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 The actual switch is at the base of the column. It's also a possibility that the switch itself isn't dead, but the rod going from the tumbler to the switch is bent. (although unlikely)
77mud Posted March 19, 2013 Author Posted March 19, 2013 atg the base near the floorboard were it goes threw the firewall? upon searching a couple time's looks like i need to drop the 2 15mm nut's holding the column up?
77mud Posted March 19, 2013 Author Posted March 19, 2013 Oh and the rod being bent i think is unlikely, but possible, truck was laid on it's side Saturday in a mud pit, but after getting it back on all 4's it cranked up fine several time's, then several times sunday and 2 or 3 times this morning, but i was using it to take trash to the back of the feild to be burnt since it is muddy back there and went to move it from my front step's and it at first wouldnt do anything like the battery was dead, then evetually i got it to turn over, and about every other time i tried to crank it it wouldnt do anything, but wiggling the key sometimes got it to turn over
87manche1 Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Ignition switch probably. But some symptoms sound like nss
Geonovast Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Is it an automatic? Also, if it was the NSS it most likely wouldn't crank at all.
xjrev10 Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Change out the ignition switch. Easy, cheap part to replace. Check out your Haynes or Chilton (i like haynes) for instructions on replacement.
77mud Posted March 19, 2013 Author Posted March 19, 2013 Last time i bought one of those book's it was a waste of 20 buck's Ill never do that again, and yes it is a Auto, but i had a 97 that the NSS went out on and it wouldnt turn over at all, this one does turn over sometime's
77mud Posted March 19, 2013 Author Posted March 19, 2013 Okay, I took a Ignition switch off a 87 Jeep i have (engine locked up about 5 months back) put it on this the comanche, same issue. and It won't turn over everytime that you go to crank it over now, so i manually worked it with a screw driver and it still doesnt turn over but maybe once outta 10-15 times of turning it over, which makes me wonder if it is the NSS now...
87manche1 Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Test in neutral then easy way to tell. Cause in park starting is 99% of the time usually neutral is ok
77mud Posted March 19, 2013 Author Posted March 19, 2013 in N is no different than in park, what confuses me is that the fuel pump does not come on to build pressure when you turn it to the run position. only comes on when you turn the key over....
maddzz1 Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I had this problem on mine when i got it, It was a bad wire near the battery and the fusible links. I think it was one that went to the starter relay i think.
77mud Posted March 19, 2013 Author Posted March 19, 2013 The wire that goes over to the fuse block? or something else?
88mjgilley Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 i had this issue with my 96 but thats to late of a model to matter here and i actually lost power to one of the feed wires on the ignition switch it would run just fine with it turned to start but as soon as i would let off the key every thing would lose power
ftpiercecracker1 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 No gauges, fuel pump not priming, turning over intermittently and all of it in a very brief period of time. Sounds to me like a faulty battery ground. How old is the cable? When was the last time you refreshed the terminal clamps and cleaned the studs? You would not believe the kind of havoc a slightly loose or corroded battery terminal can cause.
maddzz1 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 The wire that goes over to the fuse block? or something else? It was a while ago, but I'm almost positive it was one of the small red wires next to the battery, going to the starter realy
xjrev10 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 This may sound like a stupid question, but where is the Ignition switch? it is dark out side and I am quiting for tonight, but i didnt see it on the bottom of the collum did i miss it? or is it located else were? I know on the ford i had to change the ignition switch on it was mounted to the bottom of the collum... Last time i bought one of those book's it was a waste of 20 buck's Ill never do that again, and yes it is a Auto, but i had a 97 that the NSS went out on and it wouldnt turn over at all, this one does turn over sometime's When you have questions like this, you need a simple reference with pictures and step by step instructions.. Thats what I was referring too. More power to ya using other methods..
77mud Posted March 20, 2013 Author Posted March 20, 2013 No gauges, fuel pump not priming, turning over intermittently and all of it in a very brief period of time. Sounds to me like a faulty battery ground. How old is the cable? When was the last time you refreshed the terminal clamps and cleaned the studs? You would not believe the kind of havoc a slightly loose or corroded battery terminal can cause. battery terminal looks alright. it is tight. ill check the other end tonight. I'm not sure how old the ground from the battery is thou.
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