Maveric Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 We all know that Jeep paint sucks (whats left of it) but some of out there want to repaint them, perhaps back to the factory color. Some of us have seen websites mentioning that if you're the first or the second, possibly the third owner of your Jeep and its within so many years, that Crysler will repaint it :deal: but I think many of us don't fall under this rule. So what happens to us? we either do the ol' rattle can or we go to someplace and get a cheap crappy paint job (Earl Sheib) but then we start to bash our heads into the wall because of the bad paint :wall: I'm from California, my truck was built in 1988, and I am the second owner, yet the class action suit fell under 1992 cars and up...I am at peace with that decision, but I still wish I had a decent paint job. :( So what are our options? do we go for a local guy and get a deal? or do we try for a corporation like sheib or miracle? any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87manche Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 a local body shop guy thats good is worth his weight in gold. Maaco usually sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Maaco is actually not that bad, as long as you do all the body work, remove all the trim, and don't let them paint your interior if you have them paint the inside of your door frame. and guys, I payed $1800 for the body work and paint on my truck, and I got "a deal". and i'm PISSED about the quality. he orange pealed the bottom edge to be "chip guard". the regular fricken paint withstands chips better than that...so i got mud flaps. then he was supposed to remove the bed, but didn't. and didn't paint the inside fo my bed because he thought i was "gonna just rhino line it". also, his body work guys just threw their old sandpaper into my cab corners from the inside, and didn't fill the seams between the cab corners and rocker panels. hence the fact that it's rusting like a mofo :headpop: so the only way to be happiest with your paintjob is to acquire the skills to do it yourself. a decent gravity feed spray gun is 70 bucks, paint and materials would run a couple to a few hundred, and the time in doing the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87manche Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 my truck had a maaco paintjob before I purchased it. there are runs in the fenders and on the door, the glass was painted, parts of the hood werent prepped (the part in the middle, they couldnt get an air sander in there) and its peeling. Like I said a GOOD bodyman that is local is worth his weight in gold, a bad bodyman just costs money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 in my experience, all body shops want money. and to cut time and cost. so I paint for myself now as I can't trust them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGMASS Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 all body shops want money. and to cut time and cost I have worked in body shops quite a bit, and there are shops that are like this, but what it usually boils down to is the insurance adjuster or the customer don't want to pay for the work required. Everyone wan't somthing for nothing. If you want a good job that will last you can't expect to pay peanuts for it. Plus materials are thru the roof. I have seen job that cost more on materials than labour. When I had my body done, I did the disassembly, changed fenders, scratch built the floor pans and inner rockers (and installed them), bought a southern box and tailgate, and did the reassembly, plus I was there every day from 8-12 working on it with him (cause I used to work there). I got a deal and I paid between 3000 to 3500 for the labour and material no parts. Bottom line, You get what you pay for. that's the way it has always been, and that's the way it will always be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oizarod115 Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 3000 WHO!?!! JESUS! that's rediculous. your truck must look nice as hell man. guess that's why I'm a rattlecan fan. some cheap-o bodyshop (not sure who or when) did a repair on my truck, fiberglassed the header panel back together and painted it, idk if you've seen my truck in pictures... but the bed wasn't repainted. the hood is different color from the header panel, and the fenders are the only things that match the front. :redX: idk why they didn't just paint the whole damned thing :hmm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maveric Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 3 grand for a paint job? thats all I need, a paint job, and 3 grand for it?!? sheesh no wonder Crysler said 92 and up, if it costs THAT much they would have been losing a lot of money. and what kind of deal was that? :deal: I think you may have possibly got screwed, but then again it sounds like you had body work to do, I just need paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGMASS Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 some cheap-o bodyshop (not sure who or when) did a repair on my truck, fiberglassed the header panel back together and painted it, idk if you've seen my truck in pictures... but the bed wasn't repainted. the hood is different color from the header panel, and the fenders are the only things that match the front. idk why they didn't just paint the whole damned thing what it usually boils down to is the insurance adjuster or the customer don't want to pay for the work required....Bottom line, You get what you pay for. :dunno: and what kind of deal was that?... but then again it sounds like you had body work to do What kind? I beleive it was a GOOD deal. You have to consider if you want your shine to stay, you can't just put it over old sun checked paint. It will just sink in bout a year down the road and bye bye shine. So the whole thing was stripped to bare metal, and the only thing that didn't need extensive bodywork was the hood. But it still needed stripped smothed and buffed. Doors were panneled to above the character line, plus some on the inside, the cab was cracked at all 4 corners of the srw, new cab extentions, and outer rockers (hand made cause the aftermarket ones don't fit). And don't forget just cause a southern box and tailgate don't have rust don't mean they don't have dings. New bumper with shaved bumperettes, bumper end caps, clean and paint frame, paint dash bezel, don't forget colour change. And one other thing that no customer ever wants to pay for, fasteners, lots and lots of fasteners, clips bolts, doorpins (upgrade to chevy pins) screws, they all add up. Just to give you an idea, I only paid $200 bux for this truck and it had 172Km (106mi) on the clock, a new tranny transfer case and clutch, I believe that this body will last longer than the original, and I will make sure of it, because I'm anal that way. :beerhead: I think you may have possibly got screwed I don't think I did. The people who get screwed are the ones who pay jack and have it done every few years. Like the Beastie Boys said "Put a quarter in yer @$$ cause you played yerself." :laughin: :rotfl2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maveric Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 so you bought a junk yard special and then spent too much trying to fix it up, instead of parting it out, sounds like it needed so much body work it wasn't worth fixing up, my truck just needs paint, no real dings, dents, or rust. As for removing what paint is on it, you have three options, chemical removing, sandpapering, and sandblasting. What most cheap body shops do is chemical removing, it usually doesn't work too well and leaves you with a crappy job, sandpapering is cheaper, you can do it yourself, its just time consuming process, which costs more then the chemical removal so body shops will charge you more, sandblasting can be the easiest and best way to remove every ounce of paint from your truck, theres many levels of sandblasting from basic clear coat removal down to bare metal, each have their own relative costs, so yeah bud, you get what you paid for, but sometimes you just buy a truck that isn't worth fixing up, so you keep telling yourself that sinking 3k in a 200 dollar rust bucket was such a good idea, when in all reality you should have parted it out and made enough money to buy a better comanche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 primer it and cover it in mud. The End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchamakalit Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I can see both sides of the coin. But I am also of the opinion that to each his own. I personally wouldn't spend $3000 on a paint job but thats me. I don't knock a guy if he wants to. It really does come down to getting what you pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Primer doesn't really keep out moisture all that well. I'd suggest primer it, then hit it with some primer-colored paint. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGMASS Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Tell me where you are gonna buy a new truck with a brand new body, a brand new drive train with the exception of a low milage engine, already lifted in the colour you choose (not picking from factory options) for under 5 g's, plus have the satisfaction of knowing you built it yourself? It's not gonna happen. If you don't care about the odd rust spot, then by all means, get a cheep job. But I like spotless and piece of mind, so I paid to do it right the first time thats all. Don't tell me I got hosed cause I wanted a nice truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchamakalit Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Tell me where you are gonna buy a new truck with a brand new body, a brand new drive train with the exception of a low milage engine, already lifted in the colour you choose (not picking from factory options) for under 5 g's, plus have the satisfaction of knowing you built it yourself? It's not gonna happen. If you don't care about the odd rust spot, then by all means, get a cheep job. But I like spotless and piece of mind, so I paid to do it right the first time thats all. Don't tell me I got hosed cause I wanted a nice truck. Dude I wasn't saying that. I am just saying I don't mind driving a $#!&box. I would however compliment the hell out of someone driving a cherry MJ. And from what you have described yours is. Now Pics? :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87manche Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 he has pics in the buildup section, and it's very pretty. Nearly perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Sorry, I meant primer, mud.... more primer and more mud. Washing in between is optional. And rust just gives me room to fit bigger tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maveric Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 Well to each his own, I only spend a thousand on mine, its got 172k everything runs great, doesn't need anything more then tires and brakes, the only other owner was a mechanic and he kept that truck in pristine condition. So yeah, if you want a full restoration on a truck then spend the money, but I feel that these trucks most of them just need a decent paint job, unless they come from snow country, then they probably need bodywork since they're rusted out, I don't live in snow country, I didn't ask when I started this post for a full restoration bodywork estimate, as again I don't have a rust bucket of a truck that needs that kind of work, so I will put it simply, daily driver paint on a truck thats rust and ding free. That shouldn't cost 3 grand to paint, thats all I'm stating. So if you're happy with a full restoration on a truck that may or may not have been worth it, so be it. As for 90% of us out there, we just need a decent paint job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGMASS Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Dude I wasn't saying that. Oh no, I wasn't refering to your post, I was actually typing when you were posting so I didn't even see it till after I posted. Guys, don't get me wrong. My last truck was was an 84 power ram prospector with 33 12.50's. That truck had at least 5 colours on it not to mention various shades of good ol rust. I didn't even take the company name of the whitewasher off the doors when I bought it, and if you tried to step on the rocker to get in yer foot would be back on the ground. I wheeled that thing all the time, as well as daily drove it, and fixed what I broke every weekend. I rocked primer on it aswell. I didn't care about it much except to have fun in it. My Manche, tho. Man if thet thing had a...well nevermind. Lets just say I love that truck, and It will never have another owner, and I want to drive it for as long as I can, so I gave her what she needed, and she treats me right in return. I don't want this to turn into a turd tossing match. This is one of few internet forums without all the drama, and that's one reason why I love it here so much. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Show us pics of your primo paint! I do prefer my truck muddy, but don't get me wrong I (as well as others) do appreciate a nice MJ DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGMASS Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Not the best pics. It is covered in shop dust and oily handprints, but it still shines http://comancheclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3304 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchamakalit Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Not the best pics. It is covered in shop dust and oily handprints, but it still shines http://comancheclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3304 :cheers: nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I like your rims and the rollpan. Clean mj! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 saw your bike project too, always wanted to do one... has that come along at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGMASS Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 just motor wise but...don't wanna jack :offtopic: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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