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I suggest making new upper and lower mounts so you can run a longer shock. Here's a couple of Ideas. Image Not Found Image Not Found Image Not Found Image Not Found I have a ton more pictures, let me know if you need more ideas. :cheers:

I know to have a camera ready anytime some says "Watch This". Years ago you could have made it threw 90% of the mudholes and all of them in the summer if you picked the right lines. It was basicly a 1 lane trail from the begining to the end. It only got wide by some of the mudholes. BTW, I been meaning to ask if your avitar is your MJ is lifting its leg and taking a piss. :nuts:

Your on the other side of the country. You have great trails and rust free trucks... Now you tease us with brats which are classic WI eats and great looking ribs. Just don't start posting up pictures of the hot babes you have too... :cheers:

Wish I was there, it looks like a good time. I'm a big fan of McCaslin. It's a blast to go out and get lost for hours running trails. I like to camp right at McCaslin with a whole group. I wheel with the guys from MadXJ. They aren't a "club" just a good bunch of people to hang out with. They wheel all over the place. The Pipeline just isn't that much fun for me. We had a cabin on Trails End lane when I was a kid. It is about 20 minutes from the Pipeline. It was way better 30 years ago. I bet I've ran the pipoeline hundreds of times. Know it seems kinda like a highway compared to what it used to be. Lets see some more pictures, they are the next best thing to being there unless someone got video. Post those pictures and lets here the storys that go along with them. I heard there was a flop and see Wade found a soup bowl... :popcorn: :cheers:

So your rig got some charactor marks on it. ;) Thats part of the experence. :cheers: Rims and tires always get abused. I think a second set of steel rims with some Swampers is the way to go. Beadlocks would be nice too. Stock bumpers aren't up to the task of wheeling either. A nice looking HD one that extends along the side is the way to go IMO. Put a couple of D-ring mounts and build a 2" receiver in it for recovery points/towing. A couple of tie-ins to the frame for the bumper ends that protect the box. Did you tie the rollbar into the frame like the factory did? Sounds like you had a blast. I wish I was there... :cry:

Thats my choice. It picks up on the black nicely without jumping out at you like the silver does. :chillin: Instead of painting them get some unpainted ones to replace your blue flares. That way you don't have to worry about scratching the flare or having the paint chip by leaning on them. Just so you know '95-'96 XJ front fender flares run at the same angle as the tire, the body tapers in and the flares are wider in the front to offset the body taper for better tire coverage. Older flares are the same width from front to back. I would personally raise the flares to the bodyline and cut the fenders/flares even with the bottom of headlight bezels like I did in the following pictures. ;) Image Not Found Picture of the '95-'96 front flare taper. Image Not Found :cheers:

Photo chop cut black flares on it and post it up. I think they would look the best. Make it choice #3. :brows: You're right it's too blue in the first one and I think they stand out too much on the second one. With the black mirrors, window mouldings and black cab vents black it would match those and blend it all together. :chillin: I pick #3

I like the first one. It would look better if the flare is cut like the second one.

That must have been horrifying to see in person... :eek:

Here is a crash of a e46 BMW Motorsport chassis. Wow it's amazing he walked away from it.

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Hey now... I haven't taken any since this morning. Thanks for the reminder. No spread, pick a day and make it happen. I'll take June 21st. I just couldn't resist making those posts. I could be called excentrict.

You mean this post. ;) Well, I just now finished up making the stock specs, hope everything is in order. Common Design All MJs were built as a full unibody design with the body and frame rails tied/welded together as one piece and cannot be removed, however, the rear is a fully boxed frame with the bed bolted to it, making the bed removable. All MJs have solid axles front and rear. The suspension consists of coils for the front and leaf springs for the rear. All MJs came with disc brakes in the front and drums in the rear. Also, all MJ's through all years are equipped with a height sensing proportioning valve that is used to change the bias of the brakes if the bed had a load in it. For those curious to the differences in Cherokee's and Comanche's: The taillight lenses are different from a Cherokee's, the wheel flares are the same (as a 2dr Cherokee), the front doors off of 4-door XJ's (84-92 at least) are swappable, hoods are swappable from 84-92 models Cherokee's (Cherokee's above 92 used spring-loaded hinges), and all mechanical/electronic parts forward of the firewall ARE identical. Body The body comes only in standard cab model with a rear double-top hatch tailgate. Comes in longbed or shortbeds two-tone versions. Long bed versions come with a larger gas tank than the short bed and is located front of the axle. Short bed version was not avaiable in 1986. Interior: Door panels are removable as stock. Bench seats and bucket seats DO NOT have the same mounting brackets as XJ seats. Gauge cluster is removed by 4 screws. Gauge cluster during 86' have mechanical-powered gauges. On 87-90 gauges, The speedometer uses a cable, but all gauges 91-92 use a computer cable. Wheelbase: short bed 2wd=113.1 4wd=112.9 (18 gal tank) long bed 2wd=119.6 4wd=119.4 (16 gal [longbed, opt shortbed] 23.5 gal [opt longbed; standard from 1989]) Engines 2.5L I4 TBI (fuel injected) - 117 hp @ 5000 rpm, 135 ftlb @ 3500 rpm - used in 86 and updated in 87-90 to 121hp (2.5L became MPI in 91 and was rated for 130hp @ 5250 and 149 ftlb @ 3250) --- Quote: Fuel Miser package was available, lowering the HP to 100hp and included a 4 speed manual trans, no tail gate, undercoating, and 3.31 axle gears. the 4x4 Miser got the same treatment as well as no spare tire or brackets. GM 2.8L V6 - 115 hp @ 4800 rpm, 145 ft lb @ 2400 rpm - used only in 86 Italian VM 2.8L Turbo Diesel - 140 hp, 236 ft lb torque - used in overseas MJs 2.1L 4 cylinder Turbo Diesel - 85 hp, 132 ft lb torque. 4.0L I6 EFI "Power Tech" - 177 hp @ 4750 rpm, 220 ft lb @ 4000 rpm - used 87-90 4.0L I6 MPI "Power Tech HO" (High Output) - 190 hp @ 4750 rpm, 220 ft lb @ 4,000 rpm - used in 91-92 Transmissions Manual Transmissions AX4 - 4 speed manual - manufactured by Aisin - used 86-92 with 2.5L I4 and 2.8L V6 engines and 2.8L turbo-diesels T4 & T5 - 4 & 5 speed manual - manufactured by Borg Warner - used only in 86 with 2.5L I4 and 2.8L V6 engines BA10/5 - 5 speed manual - manufactured by Peugeot - used only up to 89 AX5 - 5 speed manual - manufactured by Aisin - used with 2.8L V6 and 87+ with 2.5L I4 AX15 - 5 speed manual - manufactured by Aisin - used with 4.0L I6 engines Automatic Transmissions Torqueflight 904 - 3 speed automatic - used only in 86 with 2.8L V6 and 2.5L I4 engines and 2.8L turbo-diesels AW4 - 4 speed automatic, electronically controlled - manufactured by Aisin - used from 87-92 (87-92 models include a Power/Comfort button that adjusts the shift points, also known as a towing package; all transmissions came with the towing package and came with a transmission cooler; 88+ models used Power/Comfort switch for off-roading) Pete M implied information about this that might override anything written above, where his information is correct. It was too hard for me to take his info and add it in, atleast for now... Quote: Originally Posted by Pete M The "Metric Tonne" or "Big Ton" or "payload package" was designed for hauling, was only available on longbeds, and consisted of an AMC-20 rear axle in 86, Dana 44 rear axle in 87-92, heavier duty springs front and rear, tougher shocks, the larger tires, fullsize spare and 15x7 wheels. In the AMC-20, the only gear ratio was 4.10, Dana 44s got stuck with the standard ratio available with the specified drivetrain combo (3.08 for 4.0l/manual, 3.54 for 4.0l/autos, and 4.09 for 2.5l/manuals). Transfer Cases The transfer cases used are all chain driven with aluminum housings. NP stands for "New Process" which is the brand, if you will. NP207 - "Command-Trac" part-time only - 2.61:1 ratio low range - used 86 NP231 - "Command-Trac" part-time only - 2.72:1 ratio low range - shift pattern 2H - 4H - N - 4L - used 87-92 NP228 - "Select-Trac" part-time OR full-time - 2.6:1 ratio low range - used 86 NP242 - "Selec-Trac" part-time OR full-time - 2.72:1 ratio low range - shift pattern 2wd - 4part-time - 4full-time - N - 4LO - used 87-92 Driveshafts Front Driveshaft - On 86-87 MJs (NP207 t-case) the front shaft is a "GKN" style shaft. On 87-92 MJs (NP231/242 t-case) the front is a "double cardan" two-piece driveshaft with a CV joint at the transfer case end. Rear Driveshaft - The rear is a one-piece shaft with standard u-joints at both ends. The slip yoke is located on the output shaft of the transfer case. On 86-92 models, the yoke slides in and out of the transfer case and is lubricated by the ATF fluid internally. This information might override what's written on the rear-driveshaft, but has no method of being added in as 'stock' Quote: Originally Posted by Pete M Actually, there were 2 different styles of rear shaft offered, though I have yet to determine a logical pattern behind which MJ got which. The other one was a 2-piece design, but not the usual 2-piece you're thinking of where one side slips on the other. The MJ 2-piece had a large outer tube on the transmission side and a smaller tube on the axle side. They are fused together with a thick rubber isolator designed to reduce vibrations. Axles Front Axles Dana 30 high pinion - reverse cut - 27 spline, 1.16" diameter shafts, 7.13" ring gear - used 86-92 (all axles are vacuum disconnect, and have 5-260x u-joints) Rear Axles AMC-20 - 29 Spline, one piece axle shafts, 8.875" Ring Gear; Metric Tonne axle in 86. Dana 35 non c-clip - 27 spline, 1.18" diameter shafts, 7.58" ring gear, 2.62" axle tube - used 86-89 Dana 35 c-clip - 27 spline, 1.18" diameter shafts, 7.58" ring gear, 2.62" axle tube - used 89-92 Dana 44 non c-clip - 30 spline, 1.31" diameter shafts, 8.5" ring gear, 2.75" axle tube - used 87-89 on some(not all) MJs equipped with towing package. (note for D44's: All MJ's equipped with the stock D44 come with the Metric Ton Package) All rear axles are made of a spring under axle design. Gearing 3.07 - used with 4.0L engine / manual transmission 3.31 - used with 2.5L Fuel Miser option 3.55 - used with 4.0L engine / automatic transmission 4.10 - used with 2.5L engine usually 4.56 - rare but can be found on some older (~ 89 ~) models with 2.5L engine and auto transmission NOTE: Cooling Systems Open style - any normal cooling system used today. Opposite of closed style described below. Closed style - has no radiator cap and utilizes a pressure bottle. This style cooling system was used in 87-90 MJs. Airbags No airbags during Comanche timeline. Trim Levels 86 - Custom, X, XLS 87 - Base, Pioneer, Chief, Laredo, SporTruck 88 - Base, Pioneer, Chief, Laredo, Eliminator, SporTruck 89 - Base, Pioneer, Chief, Laredo, Eliminator, SporTruck 90 - Base, Pioneer, Chief, Laredo, Eliminator, SporTruck 91 - Base, Laredo, Eliminator, SporTruck 92 - Base, Laredo, Eliminator, SporTruck Production Numbers MJ (4x4 only) SWB/LWB 1986 23,251/xxxxx 1987 6,199/6,685 1988 6,895/9,167 1989 5,354/5,021 1990 3,283/2,129 1991 5,188 (TOTAL) 1992 3,142 (TOTAL) A little info on dimensions: Quote: Originally Posted by Pete M Overall length was 179.3" for shortbeds, 194.0" for longbeds Overall curb height was 63.7" for 2wds, 64.7" for 4wds Track width was 57" with the 15x6 rims, 58" with the 15x8s Body width at the rear flares was 71.7" Length of inside of box at the floor was 73.7" sb and 88.5" lb Width of box at the floor is 55.3" for both sb and lb Width between wheel wells is 43.8" Box depth is 16.4" This is a edited copy of the XJ stock specs. If anything here is incorrect or if you would like to add the dimensions and production numbers, please post info The OTHER notes section!!! Quote: Originally Posted by Pete M Curb weight for the 2wd short bed was 2912 4wd sb was 3076 2wd lb was 2959 4wd lb was 3141 Payload for stock MJs is 1475 lbs (1200 for 86), Metric Tonne was 2205 lbs. The maximum tow rating an MJ was ever given was 5000 lbs (4.0L required). 2.5Ls seem to have been limited to 2000 lbs and 2.8Ls were 4200. I cannot find any rating listed for the stock bumper. Every brochure mentions a class 1,2,3 hitch needs to be installed for towing. Special thanks to: cj7xjmj, Pete M, krodeMJ, MJDriver, Drahcir495, Guumba, 1986Comanche, and Snowplow. I believe the members here have contributed to it being made... Well, I just now finished up making the stock specs, hope everything is in order. Common Design All MJs were built as a full unibody design with the body and frame rails tied/welded together as one piece and cannot be removed, however, the rear is a fully boxed frame with the bed bolted to it, making the bed removable. All MJs have solid axles front and rear. The suspension consists of coils for the front and leaf springs for the rear. All MJs came with disc brakes in the front and drums in the rear. Also, all MJ's through all years are equipped with a height sensing proportioning valve that is used to change the bias of the brakes if the bed had a load in it. For those curious to the differences in Cherokee's and Comanche's: The taillight lenses are different from a Cherokee's, the wheel flares are the same (as a 2dr Cherokee), the front doors off of 4-door XJ's (84-92 at least) are swappable, hoods are swappable from 84-92 models Cherokee's (Cherokee's above 92 used spring-loaded hinges), and all mechanical/electronic parts forward of the firewall ARE identical. Body The body comes only in standard cab model with a rear double-top hatch tailgate. Comes in longbed or shortbeds two-tone versions. Long bed versions come with a larger gas tank than the short bed and is located front of the axle. Short bed version was not avaiable in 1986. Interior: Door panels are removable as stock. Bench seats and bucket seats DO NOT have the same mounting brackets as XJ seats. Gauge cluster is removed by 4 screws. Gauge cluster during 86' have mechanical-powered gauges. On 87-90 gauges, The speedometer uses a cable, but all gauges 91-92 use a computer cable. Wheelbase: short bed 2wd=113.1 4wd=112.9 (18 gal tank) long bed 2wd=119.6 4wd=119.4 (16 gal [longbed, opt shortbed] 23.5 gal [opt longbed; standard from 1989]) Engines 2.5L I4 TBI (fuel injected) - 117 hp @ 5000 rpm, 135 ftlb @ 3500 rpm - used in 86 and updated in 87-90 to 121hp (2.5L became MPI in 91 and was rated for 130hp @ 5250 and 149 ftlb @ 3250) --- Quote: Fuel Miser package was available, lowering the HP to 100hp and included a 4 speed manual trans, no tail gate, undercoating, and 3.31 axle gears. the 4x4 Miser got the same treatment as well as no spare tire or brackets. GM 2.8L V6 - 115 hp @ 4800 rpm, 145 ft lb @ 2400 rpm - used only in 86 Italian VM 2.8L Turbo Diesel - 140 hp, 236 ft lb torque - used in overseas MJs 2.1L 4 cylinder Turbo Diesel - 85 hp, 132 ft lb torque. 4.0L I6 EFI "Power Tech" - 177 hp @ 4750 rpm, 220 ft lb @ 4000 rpm - used 87-90 4.0L I6 MPI "Power Tech HO" (High Output) - 190 hp @ 4750 rpm, 220 ft lb @ 4,000 rpm - used in 91-92 Transmissions Manual Transmissions AX4 - 4 speed manual - manufactured by Aisin - used 86-92 with 2.5L I4 and 2.8L V6 engines and 2.8L turbo-diesels T4 & T5 - 4 & 5 speed manual - manufactured by Borg Warner - used only in 86 with 2.5L I4 and 2.8L V6 engines BA10/5 - 5 speed manual - manufactured by Peugeot - used only up to 89 AX5 - 5 speed manual - manufactured by Aisin - used with 2.8L V6 and 87+ with 2.5L I4 AX15 - 5 speed manual - manufactured by Aisin - used with 4.0L I6 engines Automatic Transmissions Torqueflight 904 - 3 speed automatic - used only in 86 with 2.8L V6 and 2.5L I4 engines and 2.8L turbo-diesels AW4 - 4 speed automatic, electronically controlled - manufactured by Aisin - used from 87-92 (87-92 models include a Power/Comfort button that adjusts the shift points, also known as a towing package; all transmissions came with the towing package and came with a transmission cooler; 88+ models used Power/Comfort switch for off-roading) Pete M implied information about this that might override anything written above, where his information is correct. It was too hard for me to take his info and add it in, atleast for now... Quote: Originally Posted by Pete M The "Metric Tonne" or "Big Ton" or "payload package" was designed for hauling, was only available on longbeds, and consisted of an AMC-20 rear axle in 86, Dana 44 rear axle in 87-92, heavier duty springs front and rear, tougher shocks, the larger tires, fullsize spare and 15x7 wheels. In the AMC-20, the only gear ratio was 4.10, Dana 44s got stuck with the standard ratio available with the specified drivetrain combo (3.08 for 4.0l/manual, 3.54 for 4.0l/autos, and 4.09 for 2.5l/manuals). Transfer Cases The transfer cases used are all chain driven with aluminum housings. NP stands for "New Process" which is the brand, if you will. NP207 - "Command-Trac" part-time only - 2.61:1 ratio low range - used 86 NP231 - "Command-Trac" part-time only - 2.72:1 ratio low range - shift pattern 2H - 4H - N - 4L - used 87-92 NP228 - "Select-Trac" part-time OR full-time - 2.6:1 ratio low range - used 86 NP242 - "Selec-Trac" part-time OR full-time - 2.72:1 ratio low range - shift pattern 2wd - 4part-time - 4full-time - N - 4LO - used 87-92 Driveshafts Front Driveshaft - On 86-87 MJs (NP207 t-case) the front shaft is a "GKN" style shaft. On 87-92 MJs (NP231/242 t-case) the front is a "double cardan" two-piece driveshaft with a CV joint at the transfer case end. Rear Driveshaft - The rear is a one-piece shaft with standard u-joints at both ends. The slip yoke is located on the output shaft of the transfer case. On 86-92 models, the yoke slides in and out of the transfer case and is lubricated by the ATF fluid internally. This information might override what's written on the rear-driveshaft, but has no method of being added in as 'stock' Quote: Originally Posted by Pete M Actually, there were 2 different styles of rear shaft offered, though I have yet to determine a logical pattern behind which MJ got which. The other one was a 2-piece design, but not the usual 2-piece you're thinking of where one side slips on the other. The MJ 2-piece had a large outer tube on the transmission side and a smaller tube on the axle side. They are fused together with a thick rubber isolator designed to reduce vibrations. Axles Front Axles Dana 30 high pinion - reverse cut - 27 spline, 1.16" diameter shafts, 7.13" ring gear - used 86-92 (all axles are vacuum disconnect, and have 5-260x u-joints) Rear Axles AMC-20 - 29 Spline, one piece axle shafts, 8.875" Ring Gear; Metric Tonne axle in 86. Dana 35 non c-clip - 27 spline, 1.18" diameter shafts, 7.58" ring gear, 2.62" axle tube - used 86-89 Dana 35 c-clip - 27 spline, 1.18" diameter shafts, 7.58" ring gear, 2.62" axle tube - used 89-92 Dana 44 non c-clip - 30 spline, 1.31" diameter shafts, 8.5" ring gear, 2.75" axle tube - used 87-89 on some(not all) MJs equipped with towing package. (note for D44's: All MJ's equipped with the stock D44 come with the Metric Ton Package) All rear axles are made of a spring under axle design. Gearing 3.07 - used with 4.0L engine / manual transmission 3.31 - used with 2.5L Fuel Miser option 3.55 - used with 4.0L engine / automatic transmission 4.10 - used with 2.5L engine usually 4.56 - rare but can be found on some older (~ 89 ~) models with 2.5L engine and auto transmission NOTE: Cooling Systems Open style - any normal cooling system used today. Opposite of closed style described below. Closed style - has no radiator cap and utilizes a pressure bottle. This style cooling system was used in 87-90 MJs. Airbags No airbags during Comanche timeline. Trim Levels 86 - Custom, X, XLS 87 - Base, Pioneer, Chief, Laredo, SporTruck 88 - Base, Pioneer, Chief, Laredo, Eliminator, SporTruck 89 - Base, Pioneer, Chief, Laredo, Eliminator, SporTruck 90 - Base, Pioneer, Chief, Laredo, Eliminator, SporTruck 91 - Base, Laredo, Eliminator, SporTruck 92 - Base, Laredo, Eliminator, SporTruck Production Numbers MJ (4x4 only) SWB/LWB 1986 23,251/xxxxx 1987 6,199/6,685 1988 6,895/9,167 1989 5,354/5,021 1990 3,283/2,129 1991 5,188 (TOTAL) 1992 3,142 (TOTAL) A little info on dimensions: Quote: Originally Posted by Pete M Overall length was 179.3" for shortbeds, 194.0" for longbeds Overall curb height was 63.7" for 2wds, 64.7" for 4wds Track width was 57" with the 15x6 rims, 58" with the 15x8s Body width at the rear flares was 71.7" Length of inside of box at the floor was 73.7" sb and 88.5" lb Width of box at the floor is 55.3" for both sb and lb Width between wheel wells is 43.8" Box depth is 16.4" This is a edited copy of the XJ stock specs. If anything here is incorrect or if you would like to add the dimensions and production numbers, please post info The OTHER notes section!!! Quote: Originally Posted by Pete M Curb weight for the 2wd short bed was 2912 4wd sb was 3076 2wd lb was 2959 4wd lb was 3141 Payload for stock MJs is 1475 lbs (1200 for 86), Metric Tonne was 2205 lbs. The maximum tow rating an MJ was ever given was 5000 lbs (4.0L required). 2.5Ls seem to have been limited to 2000 lbs and 2.8Ls were 4200. I cannot find any rating listed for the stock bumper. Every brochure mentions a class 1,2,3 hitch needs to be installed for towing. Special thanks to: cj7xjmj, Pete M, krodeMJ, MJDriver, Drahcir495, Guumba, 1986Comanche, and Snowplow.

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