maddzz1 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 When I check my tie rod and draglink there is no movement up and down but if I twist them, they will move 1/4" to a 1/2". I think I read that they shouldnt move at all but can't find the thread. Should they move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motion Offroad Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 No they shouldn't move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxRacing282 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Yes. they should be able to move how you are describing them. if they didnt then they would crack and breal when the suspension flexes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motion Offroad Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Yes. they should be able to move how you are describing them. if they didnt then they would crack and breal when the suspension flexes HUH? They should not "twist" 1/2" as he described. As your suspension cycles they will move up and down (vertical) but should move very minimal side to side (horizontal). The movement described is called "tierod roll" and should not be happening at all. Your steering will be sloppy, and it can even lead to death wobble. The tierod should not twist, you want it as tight (won't twist) as you can get it. The movement needed is in the TRE (tie rod end), but if your able to twist the tierod itself than their are greater issues at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddzz1 Posted April 24, 2008 Author Share Posted April 24, 2008 When I twist it the rubber cap on the tierod end seperates a little from the tierod end( a gap opens between the tierod end and the rubber cap). So tomorrow I should torque all the nuts down? and if that don't work get new tierod ends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motion Offroad Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 When I twist it the rubber cap on the tierod end seperates a little from the tierod end (a gap opens between the tierod end and the rubber cap). So tomorrow I should torque all the nuts down? and if that don't work get new tierod ends? That does not necessarily mean that the tie rod end is bad. It could just be a hardened rubber boot thats somewhat dryed out over the years. However most likely it's your tie rod ends that have bit the dust. If you replace your TRE's it's also a good time to consider upgrading to a heavier duty tie rod if you ever take your Jeep offroad (or possibly may in the future), as the factory tie rod is very easily bent when given stress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reson46 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Yes. they should be able to move how you are describing them. if they didnt then they would crack and breal when the suspension flexes HUH? They should not "twist" 1/2" as he described. As your suspension cycles they will move up and down (vertical) but should move very minimal side to side (horizontal). The movement described is called "tierod roll" and should not be happening at all. Your steering will be sloppy, and it can even lead to death wobble. The tierod should not twist, you want it as tight (won't twist) as you can get it. The movement needed is in the TRE (tie rod end), but if your able to twist the tierod itself than their are greater issues at hand. Do you realize that tie rod ends are just a ball and socket type of joint? They are designed to pivot around the ball. What he is describing is completely normal. Willy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Do you realize that tie rod ends are just a ball and socket type of joint? They are designed to pivot around the ball. What he is describing is completely normal. x2 Anyone who has ever adjusted toe-in knows that. Even brand-new tie rod ends have some rotational free play. They have to, or they'd bind up in use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxRacing282 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 YES.... I'm not an idiot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 ^^^ Wasn't talkin' to you. Somebody posted that they should not rotate. They do, should, and must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchamakalit Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 The twisting movement is normal due to the design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motion Offroad Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I was referring to the drag link and tie rod together moving. Yes the tierod will turn a bit, but the draglink and the tie rod together should not move as described. What I'm saying is if you grab your tie rod and turn it, the draglink should not also turn that same amount. As I said above, the movement is in the TRE itself; which I think we've all agreed upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchamakalit Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Yes. they should be able to move how you are describing them. if they didnt then they would crack and breal when the suspension flexes HUH? The movement described is called "tierod roll" and should not be happening at all. Your steering will be sloppy, and it can even lead to death wobble. The tierod should not twist, you want it as tight (won't twist) as you can get it. The movement needed is in the TRE (tie rod end), but if your able to twist the tierod itself than their are greater issues at hand. I was referring to the drag link and tie rod together moving. Yes the tierod will turn a bit, but the draglink and the tie rod together should not move as described. What I'm saying is if you grab your tie rod and turn it, the draglink should not also turn that same amount. Doesn't sound like thats what your talking about. Sounds like you clearly stated they should not twist. And that is wrong. They will twist due to the ball and socket design of the TRE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motion Offroad Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Doesn't sound like thats what your talking about. Sounds like you clearly stated they should not twist. And that is wrong. They will twist due to the ball and socket design of the TRE. The tierod should not twist, you want it as tight (won't twist) as you can get it. The movement needed is in the TRE (tie rod end), but if your able to twist the tierod itself than their are greater issues at hand. If your able to twist your tie rod than your tie rod ends are not tight in the tie rod itself. The tie rod itself should not twist, the twist will come from the tre's as I stated above. You want your tre's as tight as you can get them in the tie rod, any movement as we've already all agreed upon is from the TRE's, not the tie rod moving from where it connects to the TRE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chicofuentes0224 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Image Not Found That's cool Rog. Where'd you get it. I think we should add it to the emoticons page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNi Beast Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Image Not Found That's cool Rog. Where'd you get it. I think we should add it to the emoticons page. Got it from another jeep site, then darken it to make it more evil, but yeah we need some more emoticons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88stroker Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 easy way to check your tre is to have some one rock the wheel back and forth slowly while your hand is on the tie rod end. you will be able to feel the play in it. also a good way to check long arms to see if they are loose (not rock the wheel but rather the whole jeep) buddy of mine had a bad case of death wobble. shop told him they couldnt find anything wrong with it we went for a ride later and i felt it for the first time. the front shook so hard he had to lock up the tires to stop it problem was a loose drag link.....not loose enough for a visual inspection but you could definitely feel it when we checked it the way i am describing. just my .02 for ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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