Comanche production numbers

[jpnjim]

Rob's thread had me thinking about "The Standard Catalog of American Light Duty Trucks"

(3rd edition 1896-2000).

 

Though I haven't looked at it in years, this book has the published production numbers for thousands of trucks............

 

But just the raw basics for us. :(

 

 

 

1986: 45,219

1987: 28,417

1988: 46,389

1989: 28,891

1990: 10,804 (38.7% 4x4's)

1991: 7,009 (36.7% 4x4's)

1992: 2,970 (41.9% 4x4's)

 

Are these the same numbers that have already been posted?

 

Also, under historical data 1986, it says:

 

"Other names considered for the compact pickup were

Renegade, Commando, Wrangler, and Honcho"

 

I think Renegade would've been pretty cool. :yes: :yes:

 

 

and under historical data 1992, it says:

 

"The last Comanche was assembled in Toledo on May 18th 1992."

 

Is that within the few day range that some here seem to have narrowed it down to?

[Automan2164]

The last known, (to the club anyway) is 5.3.92.

 

I have seen those numbers before, because I remember the 4x4 percentage breakdown referenced.

 

But, as you've pointed out, those should be taken with a grain of salt, as they didn't even get the options packages correct.

 

Rob L. :(

[jpnjim]

The last known, (to the club anyway) is 5.3.92.

 

I have seen those numbers before, because I remember the 4x4 percentage breakdown referenced.

 

But, as you've pointed out, those should be taken with a grain of salt, as they didn't even get the options packages correct.

 

Rob L. :(

 

Hopefully some Chrysler exec will take pity on us (you ;) ), and shower us with previously unknown Comanche facts.

 

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Automan2164]

Catch my Jeep Letter update?

 

Rob L. ;)

[jpnjim]

Catch my Jeep Letter update?

 

Rob L. ;)

 

:yes:

 

Your "Chrysler Encyclopedia" reference made me think of the 'Standard Catalog of Trucks'.

 

Here's hoping the official Chrysler version is much much much more detailed. :cheers:

[AMC-MJ]

:D I like how the AMC model years are the highest, Over double that of the Chrysler years

 

But I guess that could be chalked up to CryCo not wanting a Jeep brand pickup . . .

 

AMC-MJ's: 120,025 units.

 

CryCo-MJ's: 49,674 units.

 

Total MJ production:

169,699 units.

 

Just another reason why you'll never see another production Jeep Truck

Mike

[jpnjim]

:D I like how the AMC model years are the highest, Almost double that of the Chrysler years

 

But I guess that could be chalked up to CryCo not wanting a Jeep brand pickup . . .

Mike

 

 

I was thinking about the whole Comanche-Dakota thing as I was behind a Mitsubishi Raider this morning in traffic.

 

First of all,

yes, yes it is a very ugly truck. :ack:

 

but for Mother Mopar to strip their Jeep dealers of their ability to sell pickup trucks (by killing the J10 J20 & Comanche, without replacing them with something else)

then turn around and build Dakota clones for Mitsu....

 

I'd be :fs1: if I was a Jeep dealer watching 4x4 pickups flying out the doors at other dealers,

and having nothing to offer life long, die hard Jeep customers looking for one.

 

What should the dealer say, "oh, I hear Mitsubishi has a pretty nice line of mid sized trucks for sale."

:rant:

[maddzz1]

:D I like how the AMC model years are the highest, Over double that of the Chrysler years

 

But I guess that could be chalked up to CryCo not wanting a Jeep brand pickup . . .

 

AMC-MJ's: 120,025 units.

 

CryCo-MJ's: 49,674 units.

 

Total MJ production:

169,699 units.

 

Just another reason why you'll never see another production Jeep Truck

Mike

 

But when you consider 4 years of AMC (if AMC was the renix years) and 2 years of CryCo (the HO years), thats about 30,000 per year for AMC and 25,000 for CryCO. Not too far off.

[500 MJ]

Yah, I don't know what you should call an AMC MJ and a Chrysler MJ. I thought Chrysler were the ones responsible for putting the 4.0L in the XJs and MJs...

 

If thats the case, the only AMC MJs are the '86 model year...?

 

I find it very funny when I look at the different years of Renix intake manifolds that I have. Some are stamped with AMC logos, others have the Pentastar...

[jpnjim]

The 4.0L was AMC,

Chryco took over in 1987.

[AMC-MJ]

The Renault/Chysler buy out 87', The AMC/Chrysler merger took 88'-89', The Renix is AMC/Renault Hybrid.

 

Once the big wig investor that was set to bail AMC out got shot n killed before funds were transferred, Renualt sold Chrysler their 49% of AMC, The remaining 51% of AMC Merged with Chrysler to get "Jeep" which formed the Jeep/Eagle division of the Chrysler.

 

So yes there are 88' AMC J-trucks, there are 88' AMC MJs/XJs one batch of 89' AMC Wranglers.

 

Given that its well known Cryco renamed AMC "Eagle" then you could say that technically "AMC" wasn't shut down til 98' it was simply operated under another name.

 

As far as AMCers/AMO are concerned AMC was 54'-88' Model years.

Mike

[jpnjim]

The Renault/Chysler buy out 87', The AMC/Chrysler merger took 88'-89', The Renix is AMC/Renault Hybrid.

 

Once the big wig investor that was set to bail AMC out got shot n killed before funds were transferred, Renualt sold Chrysler their 49% of AMC, The remaining 51% of AMC Merged with Chrysler to get "Jeep" which formed the Jeep/Eagle division of the Chrysler.

 

So yes there are 88' AMC J-trucks, there are 88' AMC MJs/XJs one batch of 89' AMC Wranglers.

 

Given that its well known Cryco renamed AMC "Eagle" then you could say that technically "AMC" wasn't shut down til 98' it was simply operated under another name.

 

As far as AMCers/AMO are concerned AMC was 54'-88' Model years.

Mike

 

Renault Chairman George Besse was the last guy at Renault still pulling for AMC.

When he was murdered in 1986, Renault started looking for a buyer.

 

Chrysler agreed to a deal in March 1987,

and closed the deal in August 1987.

 

The American Motors Corporation ceased to exist at that moment.

 

1988 still gets lumped in as an AMC year by many, because Chrysler, for the most part, left well enough alone for 88',

and all the old paperwork still had AMC plastered all over it.

 

But AMC was gone.

 

I was driving a sht brown on sht brown 74 Javelin AMX in 87, and I can still remember AMC dying. :(

 

The Eagle Division seems to me more like an expensive way for Chrysler to taper off the last remnants of AMC, while fulfilling the import obligation contracts signed by AMC.

[jpnjim]

More numbers:

 

Total Jeep SALES for calender years:

 

1946 44,464

1947 73,219

1948 97,892

1949 61, 341

1950 58,566

1951 50,341

1952 61,372 (includes Willys cars)

1953 60,145 (includes Willys cars)

1954 34,535 (includes Willys cars)

1955 33,519 (includes Willys cars)

1956 23,488

1958 22,005

1959 30,626

1960 31,385

1961 32,644

1962 30,426

1963 44,339

1964 44,385

1965 42,415

1966 42,860

1967 39,757

1968 38,486

1969 36,017

1970 33,984

1971 35,925

1972 50,926

1973 68,227

1974 96,835

1975 85,111

1976 107,487

1977 124,843

1978 163,548

1979 145,214

1980 77,853

1981 63,275

1982 63,761

1983 82,140

1984 153,801

1985 181,389

1986 207,514

1987 208,440

1988 253,454

1989 249,170

1990 196,863

1991 177,775

1992 268,724

1993 408,323

1994 436,445

1995 426,628

1996 509,183

1997 472,872

 

You can see the drops with the economy, and the new model bumps (XJ in 84, and ZJ in 93.).

 

I pulled this out of a book (Pat Foster's "The Story of Jeep") written in 97, so that's why it ends there.

[Automan2164]

Was the ZJ that big of a deal? Here I was sitting here on CL, I always thought people sold them because they are a bit troublesome.

 

So its really because there is a truckload of them out there? We talking XJ numbers?

 

Rob L. :dunno:

[AMC-MJ]

:cheers: Quiet frankly scarlet I don't give a damn It says AMC all over its an AMC to me ;)

 

Anywho back on topic before we hollered at ;)

 

What Jeep would you have ? if you could have any ? ? :

 

FSJ:

1. 4WD Honcho shortbed stepside with J/20 running gear, powered by a 10.5:1 AMC-390.

 

MSJ:

2. 2WD Comanche shortbed, MJ-Metric ton running gear, powered by a 10.5:1 AMC-290.

 

Mil-Spec Jeep:

3. M275 2.5T powered by a 9.5:1 AMC-390 and 11.00R20 tires.

 

4. M818 5T powered by a 475hp BC-4 Cummins and 12R24.5 tires.

 

 

Mike

[jpnjim]

Was the ZJ that big of a deal? Here I was sitting here on CL, I always thought people sold them because they are a bit troublesome.

 

So its really because there is a truckload of them out there? We talking XJ numbers?

 

Rob L. :dunno:

 

 

The ZJ was the biggest intro ever for Jeep,

and by far outsold the XJ.

 

Mostly because,

by building the brand new state of the art "Jefferson Assembly Plant" for ZJ's, they had the production capability to match the demand.

[jpnjim]

:cheers: Quiet frankly scarlet I don't give a damn It says AMC all over its an AMC to me ;)

 

Anywho back on topic before we hollered at ;)

 

What Jeep would you have ? if you could have any ? ? :

 

FSJ:

1. 4WD Honcho shortbed stepside with J/20 running gear, powered by a 10.5:1 AMC-390.

 

MSJ:

2. 2WD Comanche shortbed, MJ-Metric ton running gear, powered by a 10.5:1 AMC-290.

 

Mil-Spec Jeep:

3. M275 2.5T powered by a 9.5:1 AMC-390 and 11.00R20 tires.

 

4. M818 5T powered by a 475hp BC-4 Cummins and 12R24.5 tires.

 

 

Mike

 

Mike,

this is the "production numbers" thread,

not the "if you could have any Jeep thread" ;)

 

Good choices tho. :cheers:

 

I just want something old, with barn doors on back (delivery Waggy, or Willys),

something 327 AMC powered,

and something with a drop top (CJ6 would be nice).

 

I wouldn't mind a Mighty Mite to zip around in tho (yeah, I know it's an AMC, but not a Jeep :D )

[AMC-MJ]

Total Jeep SALES for calender years:

 

1946 44,464

1947 73,219

1948 97,892

1949 61, 341

1950 58,566

1951 50,341

1952 61,372 (includes Willys cars)

1953 60,145 (includes Willys cars)

1954 34,535 (includes Willys cars)

1955 33,519 (includes Willys cars)

1956 23,488

1958 22,005

1959 30,626

1960 31,385

1961 32,644

1962 30,426

1963 44,339

1964 44,385

1965 42,415

1966 42,860

1967 39,757

1968 38,486

1969 36,017

1970 33,984

1971 35,925

1972 50,926

1973 68,227

1974 96,835

1975 85,111

1976 107,487

1977 124,843

1978 163,548

1979 145,214

1980 77,853

1981 63,275

1982 63,761

1983 82,140

1984 153,801

1985 181,389

1986 207,514

1987 208,440

1988 253,454

1989 249,170

1990 196,863

1991 177,775

1992 268,724

1993 408,323

1994 436,445

1995 426,628

1996 509,183

1997 472,872

 

I pulled this out of a book (Pat Foster's "The Story of Jeep") written in 97, so that's why it ends there.

 

Well Mr. Pat Foster is a Maroon:

 

Jeep Corporation;

Type

Division of Chrysler

 

Industry

Automobile

 

Founded

1941

 

Headquarters

Auburn Hills, Michigan, USA

 

Area served

Worldwide

 

So from 1941-1945 Jeep produced No vehicles ? ? ?

Mike

[AMC-MJ]

:eek: Whoops, My mistake :jump:

 

:nuts:

Mike

[jpnjim]

 

Well Mr. Pat Foster is a Maroon:

 

Jeep Corporation;

Type

Division of Chrysler

 

Industry

Automobile

 

Founded

1941

 

Headquarters

Auburn Hills, Michigan, USA

 

Area served

Worldwide

 

So from 1941-1945 Jeep produced No vehicles ? ? ?

Mike

 

Pat Foster is a genuinely great guy, with an amazing wealth of AMC/Jeep knowledge.

 

I'll give the benefit of the doubt that he knows when Jeep 'started' (especially since the book documents it),

and has some other reason for not including the early data in his sales numbers.

 

edit,

Pat's a local guy, and his knowledge has been a huge help to the hobby:

http://www.oldemilfordpress.com/pat-foster.shtml

 

I haven't been to an AMC show in years,

but he would always be there with his table,

personally selling, and signing books.

[AMC-MJ]

:bowdown: No malice was intended by the "Maroon" statement ;)

 

:???: Still like to track down this illusive CJ1 I'll randomly see mention of it but nothing detailed, I'd like to know if its a real unit or a myth . . .:dunno:

 

EDIT:

http://www.film.queensu.ca/cj3b/poster/CJ1.html

 

CJ-1:

The civilian Jeep project began in 1944 when Willys-Overland had some resources to spare beyond war-oriented production. Blueprints had been drawn up by February 1944 and a pilot model, dubbed the CJ-1, was up and running by May. It wore a cast-bronze hood emblem that said "AGRIJEEP." It's clear the CJ-1 was an MB pulled off the line and modified with a tailgate, drawbar, civilian-type top, a spare tire mounted on the passenger side, and lower gearing in the axles and transfer case. According to Fred Coldwell's Preproduction Civilian Jeeps, the factory also tested one or more MB Agrijeeps that kept their standard MB military body but used the 2.43 low range transfer case and had 5.38 gears in their axles. No CJ-1 or MB Agrijeeps are known to survive.

 

Mike

[jpnjim]

:bowdown: No malice was intended by the "Maroon" statement ;)

 

 

I took it as a light hearted poke at him,

 

but the guy is an AMC/Jeep encyclopedia :bowdown: :smart: .

I had to reply to it. :wavey:

[AMC-MJ]

I fully understand man.

 

Mike

[jpdriver1]

anyone seen any numbers on the metric tons? total ? by year ? ect