JeepcoMJ Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 when installing the 3.4 has anyone used the serpentine belt parts to eliminate all the clutter? just seems cleaner ... yeah, you use the motor and ALL accessories from the camaro. gives you less clutter. problem is you can't use the A/C without cutting the frame...so an eliminator pulley that's pulled in more towards the engine is needed, and custom length serpentine. no biggy really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bolt Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 just an alternate opinion here but, part the van out, for $500 to $1000 (depending on whats it's got left of course), part the MJ out for $500 to $1000 and buy a 4.0L equipped MJ for $1000 that running perfectly or has a fresh engine. And more than likely have money left over. My 89 had 180k on the body and 20k on a Jasper engine and zero rust, got for $1200 bucks. By the time you finish buying stuff for that swap you'll end up there. And that's not counting your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkgibbs27 Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 i have been considering selling the van and the mj and finding a new one, but you really don't see any mj's over here around washington and oregon. if you guys can help me find one here in about a month or two i will be able to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenH Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 4 pages of discussions, 1 case of inspiration and now you have decided not to do this? My motor mounts came in from AA, the only thing I need now is a tailshaft housing and I will have the bulk of my parts for my 4.3 swap :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkgibbs27 Posted December 20, 2007 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 haha no i am debating on it right now, haven't made my mind up. cost plays a pretty important role in this since i don't have a steady job, i work on and off doing different jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkgibbs27 Posted December 26, 2007 Author Share Posted December 26, 2007 so what is the deal with a carb. engine? what would i need and what would i not need to make it work? do i still need the wiring harness and computer? i need some info asap, i am heading out to the junk yard today. i am talking about the 3.4L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 so what is the deal with a carb. engine? what would i need and what would i not need to make it work? do i still need the wiring harness and computer? i need some info asap, i am heading out to the junk yard today. i am talking about the 3.4L. what carb are you running? you'll be getting a 3.4 that will NOT be carbeurated. it's best that you grab the harness and computer, and that I give you step-by-step on how to wire it. if you're hell bent on carbeurating it, do NOT use the factory carb from your 2.8. it completely defeats the purpose of the swap. go out and buy an edelbrock 4bbl intake and a holley 390cfm 4bbl carb. at that point you may as well cam the engine, you're gonna have to put all the 2.8 accessories on and switch to the v-belt system from the 2.8, and you've probably wasted a bunch of time for a minimal gain. main reason guys like this swap is that it's easy even to fuel inject, and basically bolt-in. if you're having doubts about your wiring skills, don't. I never did wiring before my swap and it only took me 10 hours and a few mixups to get it done. if you want, I could let you use my alldatapro for your swap which will give you any wiring harness you could possibly need (and any tech on any vehicle made). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkgibbs27 Posted December 26, 2007 Author Share Posted December 26, 2007 only carb i am running right now is the one on the engine already. i would like for the 3.4L to be a carb. maybe i will do the fuel injection now and later convert it. so i'll need the step-by-step on how to wire it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkgibbs27 Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 stopped by the junk yard today they don't have any 3.4L from a camaro or firebird, nor the harness or computers. they do have a d44 for 350$ and that's all they had. i asked if they had any comanches, and they said they rarely see them anymore. stopped at napa for an inline fuel pump, just checking the pricing. they want 53$ for either a 1.5-4lb of pressure or a 4-7. which one would be the right choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtdesigns Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 stopped by the junk yard today they don't have any 3.4L from a camaro or firebird, nor the harness or computers. they do have a d44 for 350$ and that's all they had. i asked if they had any comanches, and they said they rarely see them anymore. stopped at napa for an inline fuel pump, just checking the pricing. they want 53$ for either a 1.5-4lb of pressure or a 4-7. which one would be the right choice? I though 3.4's were in Luminias and Grand-prix not camaros. Camaros had 3.8's right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 stopped by the junk yard today they don't have any 3.4L from a camaro or firebird, nor the harness or computers. they do have a d44 for 350$ and that's all they had. i asked if they had any comanches, and they said they rarely see them anymore. stopped at napa for an inline fuel pump, just checking the pricing. they want 53$ for either a 1.5-4lb of pressure or a 4-7. which one would be the right choice? I though 3.4's were in Luminias and Grand-prix not camaros. Camaros had 3.8's right? no, 91-94 camaro and firebird had 3.4. you can't use a FWD one in his application without heavy mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkgibbs27 Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 will the '95 camaro engines fit? i can pick one up in walla walla, washington for 600$ guy says it's got 125K miles on it and it's in good shape. or i can go to pendleton, oregon to pick up a '94 from a firebird for 500$ but he says it's basically overhaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bolt Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 $600 dollars to get a less than 4.0 engine with 125k miles on it which you need to swap in...... You chevy guys kill me :nuts: Seriously man unless you're getting the engine for very cheap there's no way you end up spending less than the cost of a 4.0 equipped MJ. At 125k miles that Camaro engine has probably been flogged to hell by a half dozen teen agers who thought it was fast. :rotf: I'm just sayin' :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 $600 dollars to get a less than 4.0 engine with 125k miles on it which you need to swap in...... You chevy guys kill me :nuts: Seriously man unless you're getting the engine for very cheap there's no way you end up spending less than the cost of a 4.0 equipped MJ. At 125k miles that Camaro engine has probably been flogged to hell by a half dozen teen agers who thought it was fast. :rotf: I'm just sayin' :D BUT it's an easier project. I payed $350 for the complete camaro I got my engine out of, and I KNOW it was beat :roll: the benefit to these cars is that, even in a case like this one, the engine is so far back from the front of the car that it really doesn't get damaged. I know the p.o. and the story on what happened too...not a doubt in my mind that it was beat on, but it's turned out just fine. and while I could have done a 4.0 swap, frankly I don't WANT a 4.0. no offense, but I did find a better motor than the 4.0 that has alot more (and cheaper) upgrades...(bolt-on supercharger kit, etc etc that's no more than $600 as opposed to $4k). although I did go with a 3.8 over the 3.4, the 3.4 is still a good motor and an easier swap. that all said, I don't think one should cost more than $300 max with all the wiring. if it does, you payed too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bolt Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 Yeah but you got the complete Camaro and at $350 bucks you probably parted out the interior and dash for $500 to $1000 dollars depending on what trim level it was, the rear and front suspension parts were probably worth $500, mirrors, doors or door hardware etc. another $300 or $400. In other words you made a profit on it and got an engine out of it. Pretty good swap when it pays for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 The big reason to go with the 3.4 is the owner gets to reuse all of his current 2.8L stuff (exhaust, motor mounts, engine accessories, etc). If most of this stuff is bad or the truck is rotted out, then selling the truck and buying a 4.0 is likely a better deal. But if the owner has a cherry 86 and the 2.8 finally gave up the ghost, then the 3.4 is a practically bolt-in swap and they get to keep their baby. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bolt Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 yep that is a pretty good selling point, it's already got a GM engine in it bolting in a bigger one makes sense but if it were me I'd still have to weigh the money involved. Still I'm sure he can get cheaper lower mile engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkgibbs27 Posted December 29, 2007 Author Share Posted December 29, 2007 stopped by this dealership today, they have an 86' 2.5L manual, 2wd, it's banged up a little bit, missing a starter and the horn. said they would make me an offer, first guy said it was 600 but they would sell it to me for 500 then another said they would make me a better deal. doubt i'll get it though. it's not what i am looking for. time and space is coming to be an issue here. so i think i will try to find a 4.0L rather than doing an engine swap. family is getting ready to move to new mexico. i am getting ready to move out and start working for the carpenters union. so i will need a running vehicle at all times basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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