RynoMJ Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I have an 88 MJ with Dana 60's front and rear. I upgraded to a WJ MC and booster when I originally did the axles swap for the better brakes but I really have to push the pedal down pretty far to get this thing to stop. It does stop and holds on an incline but i really don't think the WJ master is enough for the larger brakes. Does this sound right? Is there a MC I can swap in to help with the bigger calipers. What I'm currently running: WJ booster and master load sensing valve deleted Single line ran to the rear brakes wilwood prop valve for the rear (had issues with the rear calipers getting stuck) All new brake lines combo of steel and flexible stainless Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 What size pistons are in your calipers? You need to know the total piston surface area for your breaking system before choosing the right size master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RynoMJ Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Checking on rock auto looks like Fronts are 2 pistons per caliper at 2.12”Rear 2 pistons per side at 1.77” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I would say perhaps a 1.125 bore master. Blaine from black magic brakes can help you find what you need for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Typically people run a 1.25" with 1 ton brakes, I run a 1.25" from a Dodge 2500 on mine but I run an XJ dual diaphragm booster. I'm not sure what there is for bolt on options for the WJ booster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RynoMJ Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 I can always swap back to an XJ dual booster that’s not a big deal. Just looking to make this as easy as possible bolt up wise. What year 2500 is your master out of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Mines from a 98 or 99 2500, it bolts directly to the XJ dual diaphragm booster. Only mod is to the boosters push rod, the stock adjuster is too short. You can make a new one using a 1/4" 28tpi bolt, the new adjuster needs to be around 7/8" longer than the stock one. I've heard that Dodge 2500 masters fit with no modification, but I haven't personally installed one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schardein Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 23 minutes ago, RynoMJ said: I can always swap back to an XJ dual booster that’s not a big deal. Just looking to make this as easy as possible bolt up wise. What year 2500 is your master out of? I see you want a simple bolt on fix, but if it turns out you need to swap boosters to get a larger master cylinder, at some point perhaps it makes sense to swap to a Hydroboost system. Many came on 3/4-1 ton trucks as oem, so the MC will be a good match for 1 ton axle/brakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RynoMJ Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Mines from a 98 or 99 2500, it bolts directly to the XJ dual diaphragm booster. Only mod is to the boosters push rod, the stock adjuster is too short. You can make a new one using a 1/4" 28tpi bolt, the new adjuster needs to be around 7/8" longer than the stock one. I've heard that Dodge 2500 masters fit with no modification, but I haven't personally installed one. Thank you for the info I’ll look into that a little further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RynoMJ Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 I see you want a simple bolt on fix, but if it turns out you need to swap boosters to get a larger master cylinder, at some point perhaps it makes sense to swap to a Hydroboost system. Many came on 3/4-1 ton trucks as oem, so the MC will be a good match for 1 ton axle/brakes. The thought has crossed my mind as one of the guys I wheel with has hydroboost. I’ve done a little reading on it and seems like it works really well for some people or horribly for others. I’m concerned the rest of my system (hydro assist) pump and what not are up to the task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schardein Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, RynoMJ said: The thought has crossed my mind as one of the guys I wheel with has hydroboost. I’ve done a little reading on it and seems like it works really well for some people or horribly for others. I’m concerned the rest of my system (hydro assist) pump and what not are up to the task. I have read a lot of similar things, some work great, others have problems. My Silverado 2500hd has HB from the factory. I put HB in my CJ7 using a Astro van HB and MC, ebay firewall bracket, and the 5.3 motor I used came from a Yukon XL equipped with HB, so the pump had two return nipples, and if they are valved differently (I don't know if they are), it should be correct. Custom made some hoses and it works perfectly. Brake lines even screwed into the MC with zero mods. Big upgrade over the stock CJ single diaphragm booster, and the YJ dual diaphragm booster I swapped and used for several years before the HB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 If you ever go to coilovers, the coil towers will be fighting with the master cylinder for real estate. Something to keep in mind as you decide on a brake set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I absolutely recommend hydroboost. I had Talon Hydraulics build my hydroboost unit with a wilwood MC and proportioning valve. I used the psc steering pump with remote reservoir and the stopping power was absolutely incredible. Was thinking about doing this to my MJ but am using an electric vacuum assist dual diaphragm setup that works well for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RynoMJ Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 9 hours ago, mnkyboy said: If you ever go to coilovers, the coil towers will be fighting with the master cylinder for real estate. Something to keep in mind as you decide on a brake set up. Interesting, that's definitely in the future so not sure what I'll do when I get to that bridge. 1 hour ago, ghetdjc320 said: I absolutely recommend hydroboost. I had Talon Hydraulics build my hydroboost unit with a wilwood MC and proportioning valve. I used the psc steering pump with remote reservoir and the stopping power was absolutely incredible. Was thinking about doing this to my MJ but am using an electric vacuum assist dual diaphragm setup that works well for now. Been reading through the XJ/MJ/ZJ master cylinder thread on pirate, lots of good info in there and most guys that comment with HB really like it. I was originally just looking for an easy swap to get a better pedal. I'll have to do some more reading up on the hydroboost but right now it would require alot more to get it set up, new reservoir new lines, new master and booster. Vanco seems to have a fairly complete kit but reading that most people have luck with junkyard stuff too. Decisions decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghetdjc320 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Vanco makes good kits but I’ve had poor customer support. It’s difficult to get anyone to follow up over there. I ordered a kit that was supposed to be ready in about 7 days after a month I asked for a refund. Poor communication. Hydratech and Talon hydraulics made a much nicer setup with a billet aluminum mount and stainless hoses. The Vanco kit just uses the typical universal “corvette” style booster. The other companies will let you upgrade to wilwood components. It cost me a good amount but the brakes were insanely good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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