Xj Waggy Or International Axles?

[manche_mane]

should i get  a set of d44s from an xj waggy or d44/d60 from a 75 international harvester? not familiar with the internationals but i can get these cheaper

[mnkyboy]

Its not an XJ waggy its a full size wagoneer and you only want the later drivers drop axles.

 

Not sure on the trucks but my International scout ii has a passenger side drop front axle, I would think the trucks would be as well.

[manche_mane]

they guy says its an 80s wagoneer. figured hes jus talkin the ones with four headlights.. ill have to check em out tomorrow to be sure

[manche_mane]

 well that sucks about the international stuff..may see if he will sell the 60 atleast

[Comanchemodder]

Also, Scout front axles have zero caster.  keep this in mind if you go that direction. 

 

On the wagneer axle, make sure it is not the vacuum disconnect years of 82-84.  more detail here

[manche_mane]

thanks for the info. its an 84. ill keep lookin

[reece146]

I have a Scout II rear axle in the back of my XJ. Full floater conversion, disk brakes, air locker, etc.

 

I wouldn't do it again - tubes are too small really. There's better axles out there.

 

[carnuck]

'80 to '83 Wagoneer/Cherokee 4 dr or narrowtrac 2 dr. WT 2dr are 5" wider in front and 3 in the rear. Same with Jtrucks, but they are 9" wider in the rear. '84 to '91 Grand Wagoneer (look for a vacuum port on the front diff cover for what you DON'T want or you can mod it to perma-engage pretty easy) All IH are RH drop AFAIK (I've only had 7 of various years from '59 to '80)

   The FSJs have 2 possible ratios: 2.72 or 3.31 unless you find an early tow package rig with 3.54s.

[Incommando]

* '80-up J10:                                                                      Front 63.25 rear 63.75

 

* '80-'83 W/T Chero                                                           Front 65.25 rear 62.25

 

* '80-'91 N/T FSJ Cherokee/Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer Front 59.5 rear 58

 

    The FSJ Wagoneer was renamed the Grand Wagoneer in '84 with the introduction of the downsized XJ platform

 

* XJ                                                                                    Front 58 rear 57

 

All of these have some minor variations due to brake changes and the like but the '80-up N/T Chero & Waggy axles are the easiest choice. Note that all modern FSJ's are 6 -lug axles.

 

'79-older FSJ's had a pass drop front diff ( and usually an off-set rear diff) and are not easily interchangeable into an XJ/MJ. A $50 spacer will adapt a D300 t-case to an AW4 and is a dandy way to swap to pass. side diff if you wanted to, though.

 

'80-'85 FSJ's did not have a D44 rear but a corporate Model 23 rear axle. They can be distinguished by the round "half of a basketball" diff cover. They are considered to be stronger than a D44 by many people and are much stronger than the more common model 20 axle found in CJ's. Mid-'85 saw a return of the D44 rear that continued through the end of production for the FSJ's in '91. As mentioned '80 up FSJ gear ratio's suck with 3.54:1 being the best you can hope for.

 

An XJ Wagoneer will have the same axles as an Xj Cherokee and MJ of similar years: D30 front and either a D35 rear or (very rarely) a D44 rear and for one year only a model 20 rear was possible in the MJ. Later model XJ's have 8.25 rear axles which are a good cheap upgrade over a D35.

 

Not all '80-'84 FSJ fronts are vacuum disconnect: stick shift models were conventional lock-out design units as were some part-time transfer case (NP208) auto jeeps that were generally sold for fleet service. Auto versions with the AWD transfer cases (219,229,etc)...were vacuum disconnect those years. Like their stolen logo design and numerous other quirks the TRS site is not high on my list. 

[carnuck]

Model 20 in MJs was available '87 and early '88