jpdocdave Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 a little too much like socialism or comunism to me. how far is the government gonna get involved in free enterprise, or our private business sector? We could tell you ... but then we'd have to kill you. Being a staunch conspiracy theorist, here's another thought that has occurred to me (yes, a thought ... they are rare, but they do occur): I hope all you are aware that the ECUs in new cars function much the same as the "black boxes" in commercial aircraft. If you are involved in a serious accident, the police can query the vehicle's "black box" to find out how fast you were traveling, whether or not the brakes were applied, and a few other tidbits of potentially interesting data. And, of course, the government is pushing to have the next generation of vehicle ECUs store and report even more data. Guess what? These so-called "clunkers" the .GOV is paying so lavishly to get rid of ENTIRELY are all old enough that their ECUs don't store and report that kind of data. That's just one reason why I intend to always keep an extra XJ and/or MJ around, as a replacement for if something happens to one I'm currently driving. Even if I have to keep putting Jasper engines in them, it's cheaper than buying a new car every few years at $30,000 a pop ... and I'll always have a bug-free vehicle to drive. I don't think it's entirely accidental that this program will "just happen" to eliminate thousands of "dumb" cars from the road, to be replaced by new vehicles that can be used to tattle on the driver. :agree: 1 million percent. that is 100% correct about new vehicle computers. ever heard of obd3, its in the works, and california is using a similar idea already i am told. your vehicles computer will be interfaced to satellite, under the allusion that is for emissions purposes. yes, you will recieve a message when your vehicle isn't passing emissions, and that politely worded message will tell you to go get your car fixed. i think it goes without saying what other info is in those daily transmissions of data, such as precise location, speed and so on. even without the ideas of global positioning without your consent, just the idea the government sending me a message to get my car fixed is all i need. i will never purchase a new vehicle. edit: on star is already a very small version. dealer's will be alerted if your check engine light is on, and they will send you an email, they will alredy know what the code is because it is already sent through on star. oh, and they will run a monthly diagnosis of the vehicle via on star. this was in my boss's new gm vehicle dvd when he bought a new car this year. i'm sure that sounds jim dandy to some people, not for me, leave me the F alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfreeman616 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 this does not apply to citizens looking up if their cars qualify for this damn program, it only applies to dealers who are filling out the forms. below is the message that comes up, but only if you're logging into the dealer section. i still don't like it, but people in general are immune to that unless they attempt to log into the dealer section. before that, you have to register as a dealer. so if you're not registered as a dealer and you don't log into the dealer section, you're fine. This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal Computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWPhotog Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 a little too much like socialism or comunism to me. how far is the government gonna get involved in free enterprise, or our private business sector? We could tell you ... but then we'd have to kill you. Being a staunch conspiracy theorist, here's another thought that has occurred to me (yes, a thought ... they are rare, but they do occur): I hope all you are aware that the ECUs in new cars function much the same as the "black boxes" in commercial aircraft. If you are involved in a serious accident, the police can query the vehicle's "black box" to find out how fast you were traveling, whether or not the brakes were applied, and a few other tidbits of potentially interesting data. And, of course, the government is pushing to have the next generation of vehicle ECUs store and report even more data. Guess what? These so-called "clunkers" the .GOV is paying so lavishly to get rid of ENTIRELY are all old enough that their ECUs don't store and report that kind of data. That's just one reason why I intend to always keep an extra XJ and/or MJ around, as a replacement for if something happens to one I'm currently driving. Even if I have to keep putting Jasper engines in them, it's cheaper than buying a new car every few years at $30,000 a pop ... and I'll always have a bug-free vehicle to drive. I don't think it's entirely accidental that this program will "just happen" to eliminate thousands of "dumb" cars from the road, to be replaced by new vehicles that can be used to tattle on the driver. :agree: 1 million percent. that is 100% correct about new vehicle computers. ever heard of obd3, its in the works, and california is using a similar idea already i am told. your vehicles computer will be interfaced to satellite, under the allusion that is for emissions purposes. yes, you will recieve a message when your vehicle isn't passing emissions, and that politely worded message will tell you to go get your car fixed. i think it goes without saying what other info is in those daily transmissions of data, such as precise location, speed and so on. even without the ideas of global positioning without your consent, just the idea the government sending me a message to get my car fixed is all i need. i will never purchase a new vehicle. edit: on star is already a very small version. dealer's will be alerted if your check engine light is on, and they will send you an email, they will alredy know what the code is because it is already sent through on star. oh, and they will run a monthly diagnosis of the vehicle via on star. this was in my boss's new gm vehicle dvd when he bought a new car this year. i'm sure that sounds jim dandy to some people, not for me, leave me the F alone. It's official! Time for tinfoil hats! :help: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpdocdave Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 a little too much like socialism or comunism to me. how far is the government gonna get involved in free enterprise, or our private business sector? We could tell you ... but then we'd have to kill you. Being a staunch conspiracy theorist, here's another thought that has occurred to me (yes, a thought ... they are rare, but they do occur): I hope all you are aware that the ECUs in new cars function much the same as the "black boxes" in commercial aircraft. If you are involved in a serious accident, the police can query the vehicle's "black box" to find out how fast you were traveling, whether or not the brakes were applied, and a few other tidbits of potentially interesting data. And, of course, the government is pushing to have the next generation of vehicle ECUs store and report even more data. Guess what? These so-called "clunkers" the .GOV is paying so lavishly to get rid of ENTIRELY are all old enough that their ECUs don't store and report that kind of data. That's just one reason why I intend to always keep an extra XJ and/or MJ around, as a replacement for if something happens to one I'm currently driving. Even if I have to keep putting Jasper engines in them, it's cheaper than buying a new car every few years at $30,000 a pop ... and I'll always have a bug-free vehicle to drive. I don't think it's entirely accidental that this program will "just happen" to eliminate thousands of "dumb" cars from the road, to be replaced by new vehicles that can be used to tattle on the driver. :agree: 1 million percent. that is 100% correct about new vehicle computers. ever heard of obd3, its in the works, and california is using a similar idea already i am told. your vehicles computer will be interfaced to satellite, under the allusion that is for emissions purposes. yes, you will recieve a message when your vehicle isn't passing emissions, and that politely worded message will tell you to go get your car fixed. i think it goes without saying what other info is in those daily transmissions of data, such as precise location, speed and so on. even without the ideas of global positioning without your consent, just the idea the government sending me a message to get my car fixed is all i need. i will never purchase a new vehicle. edit: on star is already a very small version. dealer's will be alerted if your check engine light is on, and they will send you an email, they will alredy know what the code is because it is already sent through on star. oh, and they will run a monthly diagnosis of the vehicle via on star. this was in my boss's new gm vehicle dvd when he bought a new car this year. i'm sure that sounds jim dandy to some people, not for me, leave me the F alone. It's official! Time for tinfoil hats! :help: do those work?? i'd like to buy your tinfoil hat. :rotfl2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWPhotog Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 a little too much like socialism or comunism to me. how far is the government gonna get involved in free enterprise, or our private business sector? We could tell you ... but then we'd have to kill you. Being a staunch conspiracy theorist, here's another thought that has occurred to me (yes, a thought ... they are rare, but they do occur): I hope all you are aware that the ECUs in new cars function much the same as the "black boxes" in commercial aircraft. If you are involved in a serious accident, the police can query the vehicle's "black box" to find out how fast you were traveling, whether or not the brakes were applied, and a few other tidbits of potentially interesting data. And, of course, the government is pushing to have the next generation of vehicle ECUs store and report even more data. Guess what? These so-called "clunkers" the .GOV is paying so lavishly to get rid of ENTIRELY are all old enough that their ECUs don't store and report that kind of data. That's just one reason why I intend to always keep an extra XJ and/or MJ around, as a replacement for if something happens to one I'm currently driving. Even if I have to keep putting Jasper engines in them, it's cheaper than buying a new car every few years at $30,000 a pop ... and I'll always have a bug-free vehicle to drive. I don't think it's entirely accidental that this program will "just happen" to eliminate thousands of "dumb" cars from the road, to be replaced by new vehicles that can be used to tattle on the driver. :agree: 1 million percent. that is 100% correct about new vehicle computers. ever heard of obd3, its in the works, and california is using a similar idea already i am told. your vehicles computer will be interfaced to satellite, under the allusion that is for emissions purposes. yes, you will recieve a message when your vehicle isn't passing emissions, and that politely worded message will tell you to go get your car fixed. i think it goes without saying what other info is in those daily transmissions of data, such as precise location, speed and so on. even without the ideas of global positioning without your consent, just the idea the government sending me a message to get my car fixed is all i need. i will never purchase a new vehicle. edit: on star is already a very small version. dealer's will be alerted if your check engine light is on, and they will send you an email, they will alredy know what the code is because it is already sent through on star. oh, and they will run a monthly diagnosis of the vehicle via on star. this was in my boss's new gm vehicle dvd when he bought a new car this year. i'm sure that sounds jim dandy to some people, not for me, leave me the F alone. It's official! Time for tinfoil hats! :help: do those work?? i'd like to buy your tinfoil hat. :rotfl2: Only if they have at least 10 layers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakal Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 x2 on the tin hat a new business in oregon. green and everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oizarod115 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Just because something is in a TOS agreement doesn't mean it is binding. There are limitations on what is allowed. It might as well say "All your bases belong to us!" Sorry old nerd joke that most new nerds probably would not even get. ;) i believe the saying goes, "all your base are belong to us" ;) :rotf: been a while. hahahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWPhotog Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Just because something is in a TOS agreement doesn't mean it is binding. There are limitations on what is allowed. It might as well say "All your bases belong to us!" Sorry old nerd joke that most new nerds probably would not even get. ;) i believe the saying goes, "all your base are belong to us" ;) :rotf: been a while. hahahah You are correct Sir! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetjeep2.5 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 this is pretty scary...... http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=RAOBlqUqUZ8 See http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/clunkers.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WahooSteeler Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 this is pretty scary...... http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=RAOBlqUqUZ8 See http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/clunkers.asp that's good to know. obviously it was a big enough problem of misinterpretation that they changed the wording on it. some idiot probably still lost their job over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetjeep2.5 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 this is pretty scary...... http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=RAOBlqUqUZ8 See http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/clunkers.asp I should prefaced this snopes link with "although a hate C.A.R.S. because it is a socialist agenda thing, it is also important that we not add fuel to what will further the agenda." See.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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