jeep_freek88 Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 :headpop: rough country sent me long AAL set!!!! Too long they hit the stock spring pack clamp, but its all good they said to call them back with the part # and they will send me the right ones free of charge!! but another delay is aggrovating :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Hit the spring pack clamp? Are they supposed to go above that particular leaf (the one that has the clamps attached)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep_freek88 Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 No the leaf they sent me is the shortest one so it shoud go on the bottom. the problem is that the leaf doesnt fit inbetween the stock leaf clamps that hold the stock leaf pack together. To make it work I would have to take the stock spring pack appart and drill a hole in the aal so the clamps would go around it and fit right. The rough country guy that I talked to on the phone told me that with the kit I bought I would not have to take the stock spring pack apart. he said it should be short enough to fit without modification to the original spring pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 You don't want to use an AAL that's so short it fits between the stck leaf clamps. It will have to be VERY stiff, and it's going to concentrate a lot of stress in the other leaves right at the tips of the AAL. It's a VERY poor solution. I don't mind doing AALs, but the only way to go is full-length AAL (IMHO) BTW, this sounds tech-ish, so I'm moving it to Tech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep_freek88 Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 so would you suggest taking the spring pack apart and putting the aal in it? i already have 2 massive overload springs on the very bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep_freek88 Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 The shorter springs that rough country makes for comanche are made to go right up the the clamp but not overlap it so the are only like 2.5 inches shorter than the ones they sent me. :eek: Well now I don't know what I should do. plus the rear is like 4" lifted when is only a 3" lift??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Got any pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep_freek88 Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 tons of pics just need to figure out how to put them on the site. and I'm at work so it won't be till tonight anyway. My mj is a 1989 jeep comanche pioneer 4.0l inline six with a 7' bed with a "Big Ton" package. Does anybody know anything about the big ton package because my local jeep dealer doesnt know anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 tons of pics just need to figure out how to put them on the site. and I'm at work so it won't be till tonight anyway. My mj is a 1989 jeep comanche pioneer 4.0l inline six with a 7' bed with a "Big Ton" package. Does anybody know anything about the big ton package because my local jeep dealer doesnt know anything. If you have the big ton or metric ton package, you have the heavy duty 5-leaf springs, especially if you have the three thin leafs on top and two thicker overload springs on the bottom. The AAL kit you ordered is most likely for the standard 4-leaf springs, that's why it doesn't fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Taz wrote up a how-to on posting pics: http://comancheclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11077 Available on longbeds only, the Big Ton package gives the MJ a payload of about 2200 pounds, with unique heavy duty springs front and rear (4+1 leaf packs in the early years, 5+1 in the later), heavy duty shocks, the Dana 44 rear (AMC-20 in 86) and they came with 15x7 steel rims and a fullsize spare. Anything in particular that you'd like to find out? :D The AAL kit you ordered is most likely for the standard 4-leaf springs, that's why it doesn't fit. Sounds plausible to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep_freek88 Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 I think the same thing as hornbrod as far as why the springs don't fit plus I think its a cheroke aal however to take the skinny three spring pack apart and put a aal in there would be difficult w/o a torch because the clamps are 1/4" steel and rivited to the bottom spring or thats what it looks like anyway. As to what I would like to know about the big ton package is is it better or worse than a comanche w/o it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I think the same thing as hornbrod as far as why the springs don't fit plus I think its a cheroke aal however to take the skinny three spring pack apart and put a aal in there would be difficult w/o a torch because the clamps are 1/4" steel and rivited to the bottom spring or thats what it looks like anyway. As to what I would like to know about the big ton package is is it better or worse than a comanche w/o it? Having the Big or Metric Ton package is a very desirable option. I put new 3+2 big ton leaf packs on my rig and got a 3" lift. What I want to know is why you want an AAL on the big ton springs? For lift? Why not use a lift shackle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep_freek88 Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 well as far as an aal idk it just seemed like the best option at the time as far as just buying a kit that lifted both ends. I guess it was just the way it turned out I have no reasons. I guess I could have just lifted the front and left the back alone besides new shocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWLONGSHOT Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Pete and Eagle are giving it to you straight. Longer is better! :D ;) Think about it a bit if everything is the same longer allows for more leverage to be applied to the leaf, so it moves easier right? Short would get less and be harder to move, get it? Also if its IS a XJ AAL its not going to net you what its advertised to. XJ leafs have more arch and are overall shorter than the MJ. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep_freek88 Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 hmmmm...............well ok then ill let you know what I end up doing thanks all :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Also if its IS a XJ AAL its not going to net you what its advertised to. XJ leafs have more arch and are overall shorter than the MJ. CW Don't you mean "less arch"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWLONGSHOT Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 YUP... :cry: Thinking one thing typing another... :oops: My bad. XJ springs tend to be very flat and they are spring over. MJ's tend to have MORE arch and they are spring under. I have a set of RE long AAL's for a XJ in 3" lift flavor. I am hoping to add them to my Rusty's 4" pack and get some "haul ability" from that bed of mine... The Rusty's pack doesn't have any kind of overload leaf at the bottom. Not complaining, it flexes VERY well and wasn't designed for carrying weight. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep_freek88 Posted August 9, 2008 Author Share Posted August 9, 2008 I called rough country and gave them the leaf # turns out its the wrong one after all so the are sending me the correct one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep_freek88 Posted August 9, 2008 Author Share Posted August 9, 2008 here are the long aal installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 That's an AAL for the 4-leaf standard leaf pack. I doubt RC has a clue about big ton MJ springs. Will be interesting what they send you as a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 I think the same thing as hornbrod as far as why the springs don't fit plus I think its a cheroke aal however to take the skinny three spring pack apart and put a aal in there would be difficult w/o a torch because the clamps are 1/4" steel and rivited to the bottom spring or thats what it looks like anyway. As to what I would like to know about the big ton package is is it better or worse than a comanche w/o it? You don't need a torch. You don't have to remove the rivet. Take out the bolts through the top of the clamps, and there's enough room to fit an additional leaf into the pack. If you have to, you can take a rat-tail file and elongate the holes in the vertical legs of the clamps just a bit. Oops -- just looked closer at your photo. My springs are different from yours. What I would do is un-bend the tops of those clamps so the sides are just vertical. Built the AAL into the pack, then drill through the tops of the clamps and run a through bolt from one side to the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Point is, why do you need an AAL in a metric ton leaf pack? Unless they are completly shot, which it sure doesn't look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep_freek88 Posted August 9, 2008 Author Share Posted August 9, 2008 I guess I don't, but I have it so I might as well put it on right?? plus rough country has already shipped me the other leafs so I guess Ill see what they send me. when I called them they said they sent me the wrong ones anyway so idk suppose ill see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep_freek88 Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvusse Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I thought Big Ton or Metric Tonne spring packs were 4+1. Those look like the standard 3+1 springs. Is it possible the springs have been replaced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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