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Could be the stamped-steel rocker arms. There is no adjustment on them; presumably the hydraulic lifters are supposed to do the job, but they seem to have small limit for how much they can compensate for wear. . On my 4.0 HO the rockers were the culprit - when I changed them out the valvetrain noise went away.

"Boston's first professional baseball club was established 1871 by Boston businessman Ivers Whitney Adams, and was named the Boston Red Stockings." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Red_Stockings . . Huzzah! . :D

Huzzah for the Red Stockings!

.Maybe? . Need to start checking the cheap/free stuff, then move on from there. . Check the tach across the whole RPM range against a known good one - free check at the auto parts store.

.Per Pete M's info, top gear if no overdrive should still be 1:1 ratio, therefore earlier assumptions hold. . xjrev10 reported four shifts. Could the 4th shift be the torque converter locking in a 3-speed? That was my thought (torque converter lockup) as well. I don't think the t-case is in low range. The '86 would have an NP207, with a low range of 2.6:1. If the correct speed should be around 3,000 RPM, multiply that times 2.6 and you get 7,800 RPM. What model MJ is it? Could it be a swapped in instrument cluster out of a 4-cylinder? Lemme think again which way that goes. 4-banger has two pulses per revolution, 6-cylinder has three pulses per revolution. So say a 6-cylinder is turning 1000 rpm. That would be 3000 pules for the tach to read 1000. A 4-cylinder only has two pulses per revolution, so the same 1000 RPM would be 2000 pulses. Feed 3000 pulses to a 4-cylinder tach and it'll read 1500 RPM, not 1000 -- in other words, 50 percent faster than the engine is actually turning. . But xjrev10 reported that "you can feel the engine just cranking like a mother". Jim reported 1,900 RPM @ 75 MPH (which really does seem low, given that a 4.0L I-6 turns more than that at 65 MPH); how sure are you of the 3,000 RPM for a 2.8L V-6 at 75 MPH? I agree your figure seems a more realistic one... . "You can feel the engine just cranking like a mother" at 75 MPH is not a good quantitative observation - does that mean 3,000 RPM? 4,000 RPM? 5,000 RPM? or even faster? If Eagle's observation is accurate that 3,000 RPM @ 75 MPH is what a 2.8L V-6 should be turning, I think he must be on target with his rationale of a 4-cylinder tach swap replacing a 6's sometime in the past. Seems too easy though... but there is no way to tell until comparing the in-dash tach with a known good one. . A number of auto parts stores offer a free (just a refundable deposit required) loaner tool deal - best, cheapest, and easiest to just run down there and compare your tach with one of theirs, I think.

. That just cannot be. . Think about it - engine is coupled with direct gearing to the ground via drivetrain and tires. RPM is always directly proportional to ground speed (minus maybe a tiny slippage error between tires and pavement along with an even tinier clutch slippage error). Tachometer must be in error, possibly speedometer as well. Like Jim said earlier - check against a known good instrument. No speedo. Hasnt worked for the past 4500 miles or so. GPS is what my speed is based off of, checked between two at that time. Tach being off i can believe, because the engine screams at 3000 rpm (according to tach) like its redlining. . Bingo. . Speedo is GPS surrogate, therefore tach must be off. Whats confusing, is that, up to high speeds, tach seems quite accurate. Then again i could also be remember wrong...that was several months ago, and no i can't go past 35 mph without getting death wobble...so i'll have to fix that, find an empty downhill highway with some tailwind and try again. . No need. Speedo is still busted, so no point. Tach function depends on engine speed and is independent of running speed, so just check it against a known good instrument - your driveway works just as well as a run "downhill with a tailwind". . Incidentally, I have seen electric tachs work fine for the first portion of their range, but then go on the fritz for the high RPM part of their range. The condition you describe would not be unique.

. Per Pete M's info, top gear if no overdrive should still be 1:1 ratio, therefore earlier assumptions hold. . xjrev10 reported four shifts. Could the 4th shift be the torque converter locking in a 3-speed?

. That just cannot be. . Think about it - engine is coupled with direct gearing to the ground via drivetrain and tires. RPM is always directly proportional to ground speed (minus maybe a tiny slippage error between tires and pavement along with an even tinier clutch slippage error). Tachometer must be in error, possibly speedometer as well. Like Jim said earlier - check against a known good instrument. No speedo. Hasnt worked for the past 4500 miles or so. GPS is what my speed is based off of, checked between two at that time. Tach being off i can believe, because the engine screams at 3000 rpm (according to tach) like its redlining. . Bingo. . Speedo is GPS surrogate, therefore tach must be off.

. That just cannot be. . Think about it - engine is coupled with direct gearing to the ground via drivetrain and tires. RPM is always directly proportional to ground speed (minus maybe a tiny slippage error between tires and pavement along with an even tinier clutch slippage error). Tachometer must be in error, possibly speedometer as well. Like Jim said earlier - check against a known good instrument.

Started previous post very late, finished it this morning without checking for more recent posts... and right now I am too tired to look up 2nd gear ratio and do the math. But this makes perfect sense. . Simplest solution might be it. xjrev10, have you counted how many times it shifts?

. . . . . Auto transmission clutch(s) slipping? Torque converter slippage? Waaaaay too high RPM. . Evidently the transfer case low range ratio is 2.60:1, and high range is "straight through" or 1:1: The NP 207 is one of the weaker Jeep transfer cases, but can be upgraded. The NP 207 has an aluminum case and chain driven planetary reduction. Thankfully the NP 207 was installed behind some of the weakest Jeep power trains every used. It featured a 2.60:1 low range and a straight through design high range, but featured a driver side front output. It was used in one year of the Jeep YJ Wrangler 1987, and in the early XJ Cherokee’s from 1984-1987. http://www.4x4review.com/jeep-transfer-case-identification-guide/ . . So assuming top gear at 1:1 and transfer case also at 1:1, if you were stuck in low range, then RPM in high range would be your RPM in low range divided by 2.6. At 3,700 RPM @ 65 MPH, this would yield : . 3,700 / 2.6 = 1423 RPM. . That's just not realistic... hmmm. Besides, since low range is 4X4, I guess that would have torn something up in the 4X4 drivetrain, but you reported no problems. . Let's look at final drive next. I dunno how accurate/applicable this info is (there is prolly better info on this site, but I don't know where to look), but here is the Wiki info for the XJ - it will do to set up the math (you can substitute better values if anyone has them, then recalculate): . Jeep XJs came in several standard gearing ratios: 3.07:1, manual transmission, I6 engine. 3.54:1, automatic transmission, I6 engine with Dana 44 rear differential. 3.54:1, manual transmission, I4 engine with Dana 35 rear differential. 3.55:1, automatic transmission, I6, V6 engines; manual transmission, I4 engine. 3.73:1, automatic transmission, I6, Tow Package, UpCountry Package. 4.10:1, 2.5L I4 engine 4.56:1, automatic transmission, I4, offroad or tow package. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Cherokee_%28XJ%29 . According to this site, top gear for the AX-5 is 0.85:1: . AX5 Gear Ratios: First - 3.93 Second - 2.33 Third - 1.45 Fourth - 1.00 Fifth - 0.85 Reverse - 4.74 http://www.smartpartsauto.com/manual_transmission_ax5_jeep.html . So, assuming that the above info is good and that OE was 3.55 final drive ratio, that Jim's 5th gear ratio is 0.85:1, that top gear ratio in your auto transmission is 1:1, that axle changes were made sometime in its history, and that the tachometer is working properly (as Jim mentioned, you should definitely check yours against a known good instrument), let's see what swap might have been made that matches your reported RPM: . per Jim's reported RPM: . 1900 / 75 = x / 65 cross-multiplying yields 75(x) = 123,500 solving for x: x = 1,646 RPM @ 65 MPH. . Correcting for a 1:1 ratio top gear from the AX-5 0.85 top gear: . 1,646 / 0.85 = x' / 1 cross-multiplying: 1,646 = 0.85(x') x' = 1,937 RPM in 1:1 top AT gear. . Getting there. We know from the above assumptions that final drive should be 3.55:1 ratio, so let's set up one last proportion: . 1937 / 3.55 = 3700 / r 1937® =13,135 x = 6.78, or 6.78:1 ratio final drive. . Holy smokes - that isn't realistic either! 6.78:1 ring and pinion sets?? . Something must be wrong in the assumptions, or else it must be a transmission slippage problem as mentioned earlier. Jim, your 1900 RPM @ 75 MPH seems low - any chance it could be in error? But even if it was substantially off, that would still mean an unrealistic final drive ratio, I reckon. . No, I think transmission slippage from torque converter and/or internal clutches (and maybe even coupled with a bad tach reading) is likely here.

I was wondering what folks think the effect of a default might be, and what effect it might have on politicians? . Colorado has a process for recalling its state legislators who raise the ire of their constituency, as was shown in weeks past. Is there a process for recall of US Congressmen, and if so, does it vary by state?

. Any guesses as the what the next few days and weeks will bring?

. Your post reminded me of something I haven't thought about for a long, long while. . I remember an advertisement for Deutz tractors in Progressive Farmer magazine back in the 70s that mentioned that 80% of agricultural equipment breakdowns were due to cooling system failures. They used that as a selling point for their air-cooled diesel engine offerings. . Engines have come a long way since then, and is in large part due to the narrow temperature range control afforded by liquid cooling that can be exploited by digital engine management... but I still am nostalgic for the old air-cooled engines available in the past - in part due to the robustness afforded by not being subject to the cooling system failures of liquid-cooled engines. . Maybe I should see if any of the old air-cooled diesels are available and suitable for a swap? Now that would be a horse of a different color!

.I confess to not fully understanding the root cause behind the government shutdown. The portion of your post I quoted was illuminating, and I would like to hear more details and discussion down this line. . Particularly I would like to hear what Rand Paul has to say on the matter, if for no other reason than that I hold his father in such high esteem.

You back for more? I would have bet against it... but then I would have bet that you would have read what I posted first. . So let's try again. . . I said plenty, and used quotes to back up my argument and dismantle yours. If you don't like it, well, sorry 'bout that... it just means you will have to try harder. Perhaps the fault is partly mine. I said a lot, and used long sentences and some big words... again, sorry 'bout that. Try reading it again. . Presenting the example that imprisoned convicts should under the 2nd Amendment have the right to bear arms while in prison is a strawman fallacy* and thus is not a valid argument. I think you know that, and that is why you made yet another strawman to attack here (claiming I supported your point when I did no such thing) so as to cover your tracks. Deceitful and contemptible - shame on you. . . Another strawman argument: I never said those quotes from the founding fathers were law. . But they certainly are worthy of consideration, particularly as you claimed to have insight as to what the founding fathers meant when they penned the Bill of Rights. I quoted them to refute your claimed insight. . Here is one that is particularly applicable here, considering that you seem to have missed it earlier: . "On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson. . Pretty clear, isn't it? . . I had trouble figuring out what you were talking about, first thinking you had misspelled "COITUS" (since you referred to rape in a following sentence), or SCOTUS, or god knows what other acronym (take note that flinging jargon and acronyms about is not accepted as a sign of intelligence). I had to Google it to get some idea of what you were talking about. I guess you must not mean the most popular usage found there, "Center Of The Universe Syndrome", but rather #2: "Constitution of the United States.". . And so here are yet more logical fallacies from you, this time those of circular argument**, relevance***, and irrelevant appeals****. You want to argue the constitution and then claim that the constitution itself is "a lie" in order to support your argument, then switch to emotion to sway your audience rather than using logic! . You'll have to do better than that. . . I used "military units from a communist country" to support my arguments? What are you talking about? . I see you have managed to work in a personal attack on me: your ad hominem***** makes for a total of 5 logical fallacies you have used in one post. "Kudos"! . . . http://www.logicalfallacies.info/ A logical fallacy is, roughly speaking, an error of reasoning. The ability to identify logical fallacies in the arguments of others, and to avoid them in one's own arguments, is both valuable and increasingly rare. Fallacious reasoning keeps us from knowing the truth, and the inability to think critically makes us vulnerable to manipulation by those skilled in the art of rhetoric. . * Strawman Fallacy - A straw man argument is one that misrepresents a position in order to make it appear weaker than it actually is, refutes this misrepresentation of the position, and then concludes that the real position has been refuted. This, of course, is a fallacy, because the position that has been claimed to be refuted is different to that which has actually been refuted; the real target of the argument is untouched by it. . ** Circular argument - An argument is circular if its conclusion is among its premises, if it assumes (either explicitly or not) what it is trying to prove. A circular argument fails as a proof because it will only be judged to be sound by those who already accept its conclusion. . ***Relevance Fallacy - Fallacies of relevance are attempts to prove a conclusion by offering considerations that simply don't bear on its truth. In order to prove that a conclusion is true, one must offer evidence that supports it. Arguments that commit fallacies of relevance don't do this; the considerations that they offer in support of their conclusion are irrelevant to determining whether that conclusion is true. The considerations offered by such are usually psychologically powerful, however, even if they don't have any evidential value. . **** Irrelevant Appeals - Irrelevant appeals attempt to sway the listener with information that, though persuasive, is irrelevant to the matter at hand. There are many different types of irrelevant appeal, many different ways of influencing what people think without using evidence. . ***** Ad Hominem - Arguments of this kind focus not on the evidence for a view but on the character of the person advancing it; they seek to discredit positions by discrediting those who hold them. It is always important to attack arguments, rather than arguers, and this is where arguments that commit the ad hominem fallacy fall down. .

This? I believe they enacted a law back in the late 80's. Something about limiting multiple cut-and-paste ad nauseam quotes on a public forum. I can not recall the actual limit, but the consequences were immediate seizure and confiscation of both registered and unregistered firearms from the accused. . Poor attempt at humor, but I take your point. . Since all those quotes were by founding fathers, and since the fellow who was trying to brand me as a "traitor" falsely claimed that the founding fathers did not mean to allow unfettered access to arms, I thought the quotes that showed him misconstruing their obvious intent was indeed in order. Perhaps he learned something if he read them, as perhaps some other readers did; in any case I thought those quotes would be both illuminating and entertaining for all readers in general. . I seriously doubt there will be any rebuttal whatsoever... so maybe we can get back to the original topic of this thread, to wit: how far down will this ridiculous shutdown of the gummint take us, and should we not make known our opinions of our elected officials?

. Awww, "traitor", really? I am not the one advocating dismantling the constitution here - you are. . Think I'll just leave this here for you to ponder, since you think you know the minds of the founding fathers. Get back to me if after reading you have anything at all left to say: . "A free people ought to be armed." - George Washington . "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin . "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson . "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson . "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria) . "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson . "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." - Thomas Jefferson . "On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson . "I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy." - Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778 . "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense." - John Adams . "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." - George Mason . "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians." - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights) . "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe." - Noah Webster . "The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster . "A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace." - James Madison . "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms." - James Madison . "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." - James Madison . "The ultimate authority resides in the people alone." - James Madison . "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt . "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee . "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms." - Richard Henry Lee . "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry . "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker . "... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them." - Thomas Paine . "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams . "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." - Joseph Story . "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." - Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts . " ... for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion." - Alexander Hamilton .

.I didn't quote anything when I first wrote it, but then I edited and I thought I would throw in the "shall not be infringed" part. My paraphrase is a good one, but I figured some people (like you, for instance) might not get that without it. . And a word of advice to you: don't go bringing "armed prisoners" as an example to support your argument unless you aim to undermine your point and make yourself look like an @$$. As an acquaintance federal district judge told me (to negate my point in my argument with her against the death penalty), "the rights of criminals have been limited because they have transgressed against the society which offers those rights". . .Again, my paraphrasing. Read it in the spirit it was written - for reference, see the Federalist Papers and other writings of the founding fathers: . Because A well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed. .They feared the power of a standing army and wrote specifically about its dangers, and instead sought reliance on a citizen military. Standing armies bring with them the advancement of the power of a class of professional soldiers, with accompanying abuses of power that are attendent with monopoly of force. The biggest threat is of a military coup. . Think that is outside the realm of possibility in a modern society? For examples to the contrary look at other nations today, or just go back in the history of the USA: the most recent example of an attempted military coup was in the 1930s. Go look up Major General Smedley Butler and his testimony before Congress for a bit of American history not taught in classrooms. . Know the definition of a militia? It is a citizen army. Militias have traditionally provided their own arms - whatever they can afford and have been allowed by their governments: . Disarming a populace takes away the power of the people to resist tyranny, therefore the founding fathers put in a constitutional guarantee that citizens never need be subject to it by ensuring that they would always have access to arms - all arms, whatever they could afford that would allow them to be competitive in a war (not the muskets to which you refer - "ARMS", without limitation): . .Don't go there dude - you will lose.

Somebody sure got his panties in a bunch. . Let's look at words. What do you think men of 250 years ago would have made of the word "panties"? I reckon they might figure it out with some effort - just as you might be able to figure out the meaning of the word "regulated" if you took the trouble. . Even to recent years "regulated" when applied to the military means "practiced". Ever heard of the "North Vietnamese Regulars"? If you haven't, ask your pappy or uncle who served in Viet Nam about them. Going back to the time the constitution was written, the Brittish Regulars were to be feared among all the armies of the world, because they were so "well-regulated" that their discipline held under fire and under any conditions on the battlefield - they never broke and ran. . That's enough for now - but I'll be back later, young'un.

I voted Yes, Yes, No, because I could not vote Yes, Yes, NOT APPLICABLE - had to, because it would not let me skip voting for any question. . Why would I want to fix an unbroken clock?

Weather permitting of course. . :yes: :rotf: :rotfl2:

I have a guess as to the root of the problem - you either got the wrong flexplate or the manufacturer drilled the mounting holes too big. Is there no indexing dowel/rollpin for this application? . If indeed the holes are much bigger than the bolts holding them to the crankshaft, the flexplate could be perfectly machined with so little runout as to be beyond measurement, yet when mounted still be eccentric. Because it hangs from the bolts when you mount it, that eccentricity would be at maximum, too.. . Compare the holes - betcha find them oversize for your crank bolts, and that the flexplate is actually perfectly round after all.

Supposedly a lot of rifles and armored vehicles as well. Bigger than humvees, smaller than MRAPs...don't remember what they said they were. Saw it and though..damn, if they get one, I want one too! . Second amendment says you can have whatever you can afford so that you can practice and maintain a state of readiness in fulfillment of your patriotic duty to defend your free nation, and that that right "shall not be infringed". Funny how there are restrictive laws contrary to INFRINGING that constitutional guarantee though, eh?

Unlike the full gauge blue Renix cluster cases, the white full gauge 91 and up cluster cases do not have the shift indicator mounting bosses. So there is no way to mount the indicator w/o using the HO idiot light cluster. If I could get my hands on one of these HO idiot light clusters that had column shift, I could modify it to full gauges by changing out the back foil. If that makes any sense. . Haven't had my hands on either the new or the old clusters, but I had an idea... Is there no way to custom-make some PRNDL mounting bosses for the '91+ cluster? They wouldn't even have to be pretty - just functional.