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Hey everyone, I'm still plugging away at my MJ.  It is a 91, 2.5

 

I am pretty sure I've got a problem with my fuel pump, but I want to get the wisdom and advice of everybody here.  I rented a fuel pressure test gauge and threw it on the fuel rail.  Here is a quick video (audio is kind of garbage, might want to mute or headphones off):

 

 

It looks like I'm only getting up to 15 while the engine is running, then it bleeds off immediately.  Am I right in thinking it is the fuel pump?  What else should I look into?

 

Thanks!

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Yeah, that's about 1/2 of the pressure you should see. Did you pull the vacuum hose off the pressure regulator while it was running? W/o vacuum, fuel pressure should jump up ~8-10 psi if the regulator is working. How old is your fuel filter? If you don't know, change it.

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I replaced the fuel filter a week ago.  I thought I disconnected it and didn't see a change... I will double check I disconnected the correct hose tomorrow when I get back under the hood.  I found a pretty good video of lots of debugging I can do, so I will start working my way through the list.

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Your build thread says you got OBDI code 51 on Oct 28.  Did you resolve that?  I'm guessing not.

 

Check engine vacuum to be sure that's good before you replace anything. 

 

Symptoms point to the regulator and/or the pump, but you've got more testing to do to narrow it down.

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36 minutes ago, bigmistake said:

It is definitely a '91.

 

So, I pulled the vacuum hose and the pressure didn't change at all.  I guess the pressure regulator is bad, too?

 

Sounds like it. Did you make sure the regulator vacuum line actually is pulling a vacuum and not just sucking air? If the vacuum is good, with the engine running and the fuel pressure gauge hooked up, find the return fuel line where it is rubber (under the fuel rail after the quick connectors) and momentarily clamp it shut with a pair of pliers while watching the pressure gauge. If the pressure rises on the gauge, you will need a new pressure regulator.

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3 minutes ago, HOrnbrod said:

 

Sounds like it. Did you make sure the regulator vacuum line actually is pulling a vacuum and not just sucking air? If the vacuum is good, with the engine running and the fuel pressure gauge hooked up, find the return fuel line where it is rubber (under the fuel rail after the quick connectors) and momentarily clamp it shut while watching the pressure gauge. If the pressure rises on the gauge, you will need a new pressure regulator.

 

Nope!  I'm kind of learning all of this as I go...  I will go try that while I still have the gauge.  Thanks!

 

10 minutes ago, kryptronic said:

Your build thread says you got OBDI code 51 on Oct 28.  Did you resolve that?  I'm guessing not.

 

Check engine vacuum to be sure that's good before you replace anything. 

 

Symptoms point to the regulator and/or the pump, but you've got more testing to do to narrow it down.

 

How should I go about checking the engine vacuum?  I don't currently have any check engine lights on, but I'm guessing the code is still valid?

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2 minutes ago, bigmistake said:

How should I go about checking the engine vacuum?  I don't currently have any check engine lights on, but I'm guessing the code is still valid?

 

You need a vacuum tester.  The auto parts store should have one they can loan you.  Or buy one - they're inexpensive.  Your target is 18 in-Hg.  If you get anything below 17 in-Hg, look for cracked or disconnected lines.

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4 minutes ago, kryptronic said:

 

You need a vacuum tester.  The auto parts store should have one they can loan you.  Or buy one - they're inexpensive.  Your target is 18 in-Hg.  If you get anything below 17 in-Hg, look for cracked or disconnected lines.

 

Thanks!  I will do that next.

 

@HOrnbrod - I guess I'm not pulling a vacuum.  I clamped the line and no change.

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Do get a vacuum tester and test it. But if the pressure regulator has no vacuum applied, you should still see ~39 psi on the pressure gauge. W/o vacuum, as in normal ops, you will see ~31  psi. You have 15 psi of fuel pressure with no change of pressure when you clamped the return line. The pressure regulator isn't working.

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I will order a new pressure regulator, and I'm guessing I should go ahead and get a pump as well.  I should have clamped both lines before shutting off the engine to see if it held pressure... but I can't imagine it is leaking all of that pressure immediately through fuel injectors.

 

Prices are all over the place for regulators.  Is there a brand I should look for or avoid?

Cheap

Average

Expensive

 

And for the pump, I've read I should get a Bosch - the part that keeps coming up as fitting has lots of reviews saying it doesn't fit.  Does anyone have a part number I should be looking for?

 

Thanks for all of the help!  I will post results when I get everything hooked up.

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22 hours ago, bigmistake said:

I will order a new pressure regulator, and I'm guessing I should go ahead and get a pump as well.  I should have clamped both lines before shutting off the engine to see if it held pressure... but I can't imagine it is leaking all of that pressure immediately through fuel injectors.

 

Prices are all over the place for regulators.  Is there a brand I should look for or avoid?

Cheap

Average

Expensive

 

And for the pump, I've read I should get a Bosch - the part that keeps coming up as fitting has lots of reviews saying it doesn't fit.  Does anyone have a part number I should be looking for?

 

Thanks for all of the help!  I will post results when I get everything hooked up.

According to your vid.......your engine started and ran on 0 fuel pressure, you need to figure that one out. 

 

Defies logic, unless the injectors are dumping fuel. 

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1 hour ago, kryptronic said:

 

Make sure your gas tank is no more than half full before you pull the sending unit assembly.  This vital piece of info somehow slipped my mind when I replaced my pump.  

 

Good to know!  I'm at about a half tank right now... will likely drain the rest off before I do anything.

 

44 minutes ago, Jeep Driver said:

According to your vid.......your engine started and ran on 0 fuel pressure, you need to figure that one out. 

 

Defies logic, unless the injectors are dumping fuel. 

 

I will pull the rail this weekend and take a look before swapping the pump.  Thanks!

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