Locker Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I own a 1988 jeep Comanche looking for a good set of replacement leaf spring for my Comanche also getting ready to install airbags i use the truck to haul a 14 foot trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 A lot of us (including me) got new springs HERE. Both standard and HD Metric Ton springs are offered. Occasionally there are group buys set up by club members so you can save a few $$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 What airbags are you going with and how are you mounting them? I'm kinda tossing around the idea that they might be something I want some day, but I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 The military wrap springs are the MT springs. You won't need air bags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Factory 3+2 and 4+1 MJ Metric Ton springs are not military wrap springs. On the link I posted above, the 1700 lb. springs offered are copies of the factory 3+2 MT springs. But they (General Spring) can and will include the military wrap as an option if ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Factory 3+2 and 4+1 MJ Metric Ton springs are not military wrap springs. On the link I posted above, the 1700 lb. springs offered are copies of the factory 3+2 MT springs. But they (General Spring) can and will include the military wrap as an option if ordered. According to Joe at General Spring the military wrap spring is based on and rated the same as the MT spring. His words, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locker Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 What airbags are you going with and how are you mounting them? I'm kinda tossing around the idea that they might be something I want some day, but I'm not sure. They come with self tapper but i would drill thru and use lock washer here is the model # best price Amazon AIR LIFT 59503 Ride Control Rear Air Spring Kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 What airbags are you going with and how are you mounting them? I'm kinda tossing around the idea that they might be something I want some day, but I'm not sure. They come with self tapper but i would drill thru and use lock washer here is the model # best price Amazon AIR LIFT 59503 Ride Control Rear Air Spring Kit Interesting. I would probably destroy them when my axle droops out, or so I'm guessing. But they would be kinda nice if I used air switches for in cab control, I've already got the compressor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 What airbags are you going with and how are you mounting them? I'm kinda tossing around the idea that they might be something I want some day, but I'm not sure. They come with self tapper but i would drill thru and use lock washer here is the model # best price Amazon AIR LIFT 59503 Ride Control Rear Air Spring Kit Below is a pic of my MJ with new 1/2 ton springs. (now replaced) Load and trailer is about 3500lbs gross. I'm guessing the tongue weight is about 350lbs. Even with a classIII hitch your tongue weight maxes out at 500lbs which is 1/2 your total payload. As seen below, you should not be dropping down more than 1.5" with trailer attached. If you are, your springs are shot or your are over loading your hitch/truck. You will not realize how bad your springs are until you replace them, and the shackles. The airbags will become a nuisance and rather pointless, nor will they make up for any loss of control due to weak springs and bad bushings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Factory 3+2 and 4+1 MJ Metric Ton springs are not military wrap springs. On the link I posted above, the 1700 lb. springs offered are copies of the factory 3+2 MT springs. But they (General Spring) can and will include the military wrap as an option if ordered. According to Joe at General Spring the military wrap spring is based on and rated the same as the MT spring. His words, not mine. "Based on and rated the same as" is not quite equal to "The military wrap springs are the MT springs." The factory MT springs were not military wrap, and direct replacements for the MT springs are not military wrap. The military wrap is an additional option on custom-made springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Below is a pic of my MJ with new 1/2 ton springs. (now replaced) Load and trailer is about 3500lbs gross. I'm guessing the tongue weight is about 350lbs. Even with a classIII hitch your tongue weight maxes out at 500lbs which is 1/2 your total payload. Payload for a standard (not MT) MJ is a bit over 1,400 pounds, so 500 pounds is about one-third of the payload, not one-half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Factory 3+2 and 4+1 MJ Metric Ton springs are not military wrap springs. On the link I posted above, the 1700 lb. springs offered are copies of the factory 3+2 MT springs. But they (General Spring) can and will include the military wrap as an option if ordered. According to Joe at General Spring the military wrap spring is based on and rated the same as the MT spring. His words, not mine. "Based on and rated the same as" is not quite equal to "The military wrap springs are the MT springs." The factory MT springs were no military wrap, and direct replacements for the MT springs are not military wrap. The military wrap is an additional option on custom-made springs. Forget it Eagle. It's not worth discussing anymore. Hopefully everyone understood the point as you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Driver Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Factory 3+2 and 4+1 MJ Metric Ton springs are not military wrap springs. On the link I posted above, the 1700 lb. springs offered are copies of the factory 3+2 MT springs. But they (General Spring) can and will include the military wrap as an option if ordered. According to Joe at General Spring the military wrap spring is based on and rated the same as the MT spring. His words, not mine. "Based on and rated the same as" is not quite equal to "The military wrap springs are the MT springs." The factory MT springs were no military wrap, and direct replacements for the MT springs are not military wrap. The military wrap is an additional option on custom-made springs. Forget it Eagle. It's not worth discussing anymore. Hopefully everyone understood the point as you did. When was the last time you had 2204.62 lbs in the back of you truck? Yeah, I get your point- The left hand is not a right hand. I speak in pedestrian terms, practical terms. You and Eagle can point to all the literature and brochures you want, in practical terms, you, we, have 1/2 ton trucks. As I stated here before, shortly after I installed the standard General Spring springs, I picked up a load of marble, shipped weight of 1100lbs and change. My MJ handled the weight but it was all it wanted, I was 1" off the bump stops, front end light, braking was seriously diminished. Literature can claim whatever it wants, that does not make it so. At 2200lbs you will outrun your stock brakes. According to Joe, the military wrap spring is the only MJ spring that is US made. Having had both springs in a short period of time, I can tell you that the ride quality of the military/US spring is discernibly better, strikingly better, right out of the box. Actually, I only have about 50 miles on them and they ride better than the standard spring did after it has settled in. That is why I suggested the military over any other spring that General Spring offers, regardless of claimed capacity. None of this has anything to do with the OP's original question. If the OP is overloading his springs, he's overloading his hitch and he's overloading his truck, it's that simple. I try to keep my tongue weight at about 10% of gross. I pull either a 4000lbs tool trailer or I'm hauling materials, 100-150 miles per day, 6 days per week. I base my opinions on practical everyday experiences. Below was today's load, hardwood flooring, shipped weight of 4130lbs with the weight of the trailer, gross put me about 5000lbs, Tongue weight just over 400lbs, I can tell by the way my truck sits what my tongue weight is. Regardless of which spring he chooses, standard, MT, military, if he is bottoming out with his trailer, either his springs are completely shot, or, he has a problem with his trailer or his load. It's up to him, not me, not you, to do his own research and discern for himself how to resolve his own problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 OP's original question: I own a 1988 jeep Comanche looking for a good set of replacement leaf spring for my Comanche also getting ready to install airbags i use the truck to haul a 14 foot trailer. My response:"A lot of us (including me) got new springs HERE. Both standard and HD Metric Ton springs are offered. Occasionally there are group buys set up by club members so you can save a few $$." The OP's question is now answered. Your response: The military wrap springs are the MT springs. You won't need air bags. This comment had nothing to do with the OPs question. The first part of this statement is false, and the second part is your personal opinion. And the rest that followed had nothing to do with the OPs question. This thread is now locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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