ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 First off guys I will say these things are beefy, but the design is flawed in my opinion. If you have seen the way they mount with clamps on pinch seam then two posts one front one in rear that go to the frame. First off for the front post to meet the frame you must back the front clip allen screw all the way out example Now here is the issue for the rear post to meet the frame it must mount skewed meaning it does not follow the body line Me having ocd this bothers the $#!& out of me, plus it is very noticeable even more so with the steps. (On a ride now 4 different club members said "Nice rails you know they are crooked")Now if you adjust the allen all the way in on the rear you can make it follow the body lines Much better! But now the problem is this the rear post is short of frame 3/4" I was told they were designed this way Because it stays square with the axles lol! These things protect the rockers why wouldn't they flow with body? I have 2 different pairs of rails on other vehicles one an xj with rocky road super sliders. Which kinda 45 the steps to wrap the rockers if they didn't follow the body line they wouldn't fit! Either way the only resolution is to fix them at a welding shop or send them back and eat shipping both ways! Which would basically pay for them again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 If these problems were fixed they would be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 I am taking them to a welding shop next week to have the rear posts extended and have the clips moved down on the rail a 1/2" to 3/4" to tuck them up closer to the rocker it will look way better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbyluvv Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 The MJ and XJ have totally different rockers. The MJ is wider past the doors than the XJ. I have had both. The XJ does not flare as bad as a MJ does. This is why XJ rockers do not work on an MJ. If you look right down the axle line of your truck you will see they are dead on. Hell I even posted a picture showing this. Does it look off? Yes. Do I understand the reason why? Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbyluvv Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Here is your "honest" review! Yep, right in line with the stock axle width. While you choose complain about them not being bowed in 3/4" to follow the body line. I prefer them to follow the axle line. These rails fit EXACTLY the way I wanted them too. I designed Brandon's and Nate's rails. I gave them both the exact same PDF. The only difference is going to be one mounting leg and who welded them together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 The MJ and XJ have totally different rockers. The MJ is wider past the doors than the XJ. I have had both. The XJ does not flare as bad as a MJ does. This is why XJ rockers do not work on an MJ. If you look right down the axle line of your truck you will see they are dead on. Hell I even posted a picture showing this. Does it look off? Yes. Do I understand the reason why? Yes!Dude that doesn't make any difference with the rockers lol! I guess you are not understanding do I need to send you guys pics from some RR sliders on a comanche? I think someone on here has them? When you take a straight edge and put it on the rockers at the front the only position is 1.5" roughly and this tapers to rear down to .5" it looks like $#!&. My Chevy also has rails with body line. All vehicles have a shorter axle in rear for tracking purposes I say this because this was the first excuse kept I'm coming lol! I wouldn't have posted anything but all I wanted was acknowledgement of the design f k as and fix it for future customers but all I received from Brandon was excuses and attempted justification! Bottom line buy from ESTABLISHED VENDORS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbyluvv Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 The rear axle width is the same as the front... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 Also your drawing must not have translated well because my rear leg 5 3/4" also take a little lower pic of the rail itself that your hiding! Dude I have ocd it looks horrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 The rear axle width is the same as the front...Wrong! Only if you have spacers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 Most all vehicles have shorter axles in rear for tracking purposes. So maybe your math was wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 Not on here for an argument the pics speak for themselves I will get more pics tomorrow and also comparable pics when they are fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 We're talking purely cosmetics here, but that's important to me too. I'm sure these sliders will do their job well protecting the rocker panel area. But they should look nice too IMO. Just because the frame is MJ narrower at the rear than the front doesn't mean they can't be parallel to the rocker panel line. And they need to be tucked up closer under the body with no more than a 1/2" gap. That's the way I'd like to see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 We're talking purely cosmetics here, but that's important to me. I'm sure these sliders will do their job well protecting the rocker panel area. But they should look nice too IMO. Just because the frame is MJ wider at the rear than the front doesn't mean they can't be parallel to the rocker panel line. And they need to be tucked up closer under the body with no more than a 1/2" gap.Thank you Don that's all I was looking for and honestly i wouldn't have posted but as you can tell the problem was not gonna be resolved and I just wanted to warn people like myself that has ocd, because these are not cheap especially when you have to pay to build them twice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbyluvv Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 It's 1" narrower. That is a 1/2" per side. Most run a 1" spacer per side to make it look the same as the front. That doesn't change the fact the front sheet metal narrows in at least 3" on a MJ. I'm sorry my design didn't work for you. I can promise you Nate's design is exactly the frigging same. It is MY PDF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw star Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I don't have them but in all honesty I still give him credit for designing something not readily available. Will it have flaws, absolutely. But consider the fact these are the first run/prototypes. For ANY vendor or fabricator to improve/fix a design, "field tests" and honest feedback are required. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 That's fine the only others I have seen for an mj is rocky road they follow the body lines. Like I said a member here has them also a guy in my club. Regardless I ordered from krusty because he was a member the product is beefy but the design is flawed no doubt. Ive learned my lesson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 I will post pics when the are fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 It's 1" narrower. That is a 1/2" per side. Most run a 1" spacer per side to make it look the same as the front. That doesn't change the fact the front sheet metal narrows in at least 3" on a MJ. I'm sorry my design didn't work for you. I can promise you Nate's design is exactly the frigging same. It is MY PDF. Typo, my error and corrected. I run spacers on the back just for that reason, but not on the front as your rig has. I'm all for symmetry. In all things MJ. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 I don't have them but in all honesty I still give him credit for designing something not readily available. Will it have flaws, absolutely. But consider the fact these are the first run/prototypes. For ANY vendor or fabricator to improve/fix a design, "field tests" and honest feedback are required. Just my opinion.No doubt, but when you call someone tell them something that is obvious and they do nothing but explain to you why your wrong with everything from width of the axle to the way your looking at them! bump that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 And if nates are the same Then don't buy nates either! RR has them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbyluvv Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Do your thing. The design is the way I, me, the designer wanted it. Does it look off, yes it does. Is that the way "I" wanted it? Yes, absolutely it is. I want my width the same all the way down the rocker. Could they be pulled up to be flush with the rocker? Yes they could be. Does that matter to me nope, not at all. I plan on using my rails as sliders. I don't really care they stick out 3/4" more in the front when they follow the track width. These are prototypes. There will be changes. I'm glad Brandon is willing to entertain changing them. For me they are the way I wanted them. I am going to go and have a beer. Good luck getting them fixed to your liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 That's fine man I honestly knew you would have the same spill as Brandon and I don't think he is gonna change them? I know he is gonna do nothing to help me out in anyway. Like I said should have went with RR sliders they are pricey but correct and cosmetically appealing! These look like $#!& plain and simple the welds are exceptional design is very weak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbyluvv Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Send them back to Brandon. I will pay your shipping fees. Go buy RR rails. Once Brandon receives them he will refund your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggcnash Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 Not gonna let u be out any money for me bud (shipping is almost 200$ fixing them will be cheaper!), I'm a grown man that made a decision and I must live with it this has nothing to do with you Shelby. I didn't get on here to get a refund. Like i said, I wouldn't have even posted if Brandon would have acknowledged this and said i will post this issue and let people know that this is the way the rails are built, before someone else spends 376$ but that is not what happened I got bogus excuses and attempted justification for the issue that is glaringly obvious? I'm just posting for the next guy before he/she spends that much money and receives something he/she wasn't expecting . I would also like to add these issues are purely cosmetic the build quality is exceptional, and for someone that doesn't mind those cosmetic issues these rails will be a great purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbyluvv Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 The offer stands. Once you have them modified, they are yours to keep. I talk to Brandon daily. We talked about these "issues" before they were released for purchase. They are not a design flaw. They are the way I designed them. I tried to be honest in my install post that they look off. I am aware they are a touch low as well. I tried to figure a way to tuck them tighter to the body. They also have to be adjustable to take up for production variations. Not all MJs are exactly the same. As you weld and cut steel things move. The pinch clamps worked best to take up these issues. I have used the drill and bolt pinch seam design on a couple different Jeeps. There are always a few holes that are too low and the bolts don't even hold crap. I hate you aren't happy with the design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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