jeepmarine312 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 idk what it is or whatever, but this bar is way to close to my springs and is actually ripping into y spring boosters... please help, posting pics, but they are night pics, sorry, did the best i could... please help... and a closer one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComancheKid45 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Your sway bar end links are way too short for the amount of lift you have installed. Also those "spring boosters" are really only ment to prevent coils from sagging and not so much for lift. Its better for you in the long run to dish out $30-$40 for a set of true coil spacers. that would also benefit you with the longer links. Just for thought, I was in your shoes before. I know how much you wanna lift a newly aquired Jeep but IMO your rushing into it the wrong way. Sure the "cheap" stuff lifts the truck and may work for a period of time, but I garuntee the components your installing now will be replaced by better quality and stronger peices after a short period of time. With the products out there offered for not huge amounts of money do yourself a favor and do some more research and you'd be suprised what you may learn and find. I'm definently not trying to nit pick with ya by any means, just simply trying to help a fellow Comanche fan out ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotex Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Your sway bar ends look bent to me. Is the other side the same? When ever you add lift, you should add longer sway bar links to compensate. Not necessary if only adding up to 1", but over that, I would get adjustables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepmarine312 Posted April 18, 2013 Author Share Posted April 18, 2013 comanchekid45, i have coil spacers in ther front asweel though you can't see them in any of the pics... and when i get the cash i will be replacing all of this with a new suspension lift the right way, asweel as rebuilding the motor, trans, and everything, replacing everything i can underneath and all, but i have to wait till i get my military moneys haha, for now I'm just looking for something to go muddin in, and i know i need to lower the back about an inch, but my friends won't help me, they keep saying oh its fine when I'm telling them whats up... and its starting to piss me off, and well to be honest i can really lower the back one whole like i need to by myself, don't have the strength to pulll on the springs and adjust the bolt and all that by myself... it aint easy... and cnt find an easy way to do it...if i lower it some in the rear would the swaybar ends level out a bit? can i undo them and move them to the right place? anything i can do without getting new ones, I'm broke right now... might end up selling the bull bar and the tires and rims i have in the yard to help with cash... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 sway bar end links are shot and bent from a bad lift. you need the right parts, dude. i see all the wrong ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComancheKid45 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 An easy solution but not particuarly reccommended is to just remove the links and strap the swaybar up out of the way untill you have the time and funds to replace it. This will alter the handling of the vehicle though a good bit if you choose to do this so be careful. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 An easy solution but not particuarly reccommended is to just remove the links and strap the swaybar up out of the way untill you have the time and funds to replace it. This will alter the handling of the vehicle though a good bit if you choose to do this so be careful. ;) I doubt his shackles and control arms could handle the stress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakal Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Your sway bar end links are way too short for the amount of lift you have installed. Also those "spring boosters" are really only ment to prevent coils from sagging and not so much for lift. Its better for you in the long run to dish out $30-$40 for a set of true coil spacers. that would also benefit you with the longer links. Just for thought, I was in your shoes before. I know how much you wanna lift a newly aquired Jeep but IMO your rushing into it the wrong way. Sure the "cheap" stuff lifts the truck and may work for a period of time, but I garuntee the components your installing now will be replaced by better quality and stronger peices after a short period of time. With the products out there offered for not huge amounts of money do yourself a favor and do some more research and you'd be suprised what you may learn and find. I'm definently not trying to nit pick with ya by any means, just simply trying to help a fellow Comanche fan out ;) been there done that, save your money and do it the right way the first time, only. ouch, sentence bad it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepmarine312 Posted April 19, 2013 Author Share Posted April 19, 2013 i did disconnect the sway bar for now, and i actually like the ride better now, idk why, feels smoother.. but i might be weird, and I'm trying to get bigger end links off a f350 and if i can't ill try to get longer ones from advanced... if i can that is, last option (prefer not to, but if i have to) will be to just move the mounts forward and bolt it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 stop using ratty parts. if you put a wanted add on comancheclub and craigslist, someone local has GOT to have a set of longer rough country sway bar links that they're upgrading from for cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepmarine312 Posted April 19, 2013 Author Share Posted April 19, 2013 how is using sway bar links off an f350 "ratty parts". they are longer, fit, and are a good switch over that isnt to expensive, I'm sorry i can't just go out an buy all new parts like everyone else... and I'm really not trying to sound like an a$$ or anything. I'm a 20 year old waiting to leave for boot camp, nobody wants to hire a guy whos gonna leave in 4 months... so i have to work with what i can, I'm sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadiseMJ Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Money...although extremely helpful...is not all together the answer to getting decent parts, and putting it together correctly. Being impatient and just slapping random parts on it will just bite you in the arse later, as in, you'll just have to take it apart and fix it right down the road. F-150 sway bars and links....are for f-150's, no matter what "some other guy did". Junkyards, Salvage yards, ebay, craigslist etc. all offer correct parts at seriously less costly than going out to buy the best, most expensive, coolest, shiniest parts. I have built my MJ from almost all "recycled" parts and alot of research and personal work. My MJ is pretty tight and right now. When I got it for $400 it rolled up on a trailer, without wheels, or an interior. It's now a regular driver, on and off road...and a regular chick magnet (down at the senior center) I developed a relationship with my local JY and it has done me good. I'm not a "real" mechanic, it's just a hobby. If you're about to leave for boot camp, put it under cover, up on blocks, and start your build when you do have some money. You could also get some reading in on a Jeep FSM and this site in the meantime to give you some ideas about how to build it right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotex Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'm failing to see how sway bar links that fit the rear of an F350 and used on the front of a manche is a "ratty" or inferior part. Please explain the logic to me, as i have those links installed on Maura, and I feel for the price, they are an excellent choice. The quality seems as good or better than the OEM Jeep parts. I have the money to install any links i want, so if I need to swap them out due to a dangerous situation, I will gladly do that. I need convincing that they are "ratty". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I have never heard of sing the Ford F350 rear links. Sounds like a good choice to me. How long are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotex Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I have never heard of sing the Ford F350 rear links. Sounds like a good choice to me. How long are they? Mevotech Rear Suspension Stabilizer Bar Link Kit MK80036 They are around $15 each IIRC. I found them here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/380526549116?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 Ther are perfect length for 4" lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I have never heard of sing the Ford F350 rear links. Sounds like a good choice to me. How long are they? Thanks for the link. If you have the Ford links handy, could you stick a tape measure on for the eye-to-end length? Just curious how much longer they are than the 1992+ stock links. At your leisure of course. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadiseMJ Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'm failing to see how sway bar links that fit the rear of an F350 and used on the front of a manche is a "ratty" My bad. I did not necessarily infer or substantiate that Ford parts were "ratty". I was just using that reference as an example to the PO that just throwing s**t together because it's cheaper is not going to solve the problems he's experiencing with the front end and the lifting of the truck in general. I see many builds where guys are just using parts that might fit...like those spring spacers...THOSE are ratty. It seems like he was just throwing them on there to boost the already funky springs without making any compensation for the rest of the the "system", and then wondering why it was f**ked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotex Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I get where you are coming from. Suspension parts should be done once, and done right. I was just worried there that the first time i take maura out in public, everyone would be snickering behind my back :laughin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I look at the OP like this; His rear shackles are not safe nor functional as necessary. they are slapped together and bushingless on the top, using inferior grade bolts, without reinforcement between them His front lift comprises of spacers and spring boosters. He is already too high for stock lower control arms, which I'm sure he has. What I can see there is a 3.5" or 4" lift, judging from the angle of the bad/bent swaybar links. nothing is done right, and the parts he's wanting to use aren't for this application. You can buy a set of rough country links for $40 to your door off ebay brand new, and they're made for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadiseMJ Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I look at the OP like this; His rear shackles are not safe nor functional as necessary. they are slapped together and bushingless on the top, using inferior grade bolts, without reinforcement between them His front lift comprises of spacers and spring boosters. He is already too high for stock lower control arms, which I'm sure he has. What I can see there is a 3.5" or 4" lift, judging from the angle of the bad/bent swaybar links. nothing is done right, and the parts he's wanting to use aren't for this application. You can buy a set of rough country links for $40 to your door off ebay brand new, and they're made for it. Uh duh, yeah,. That's what I meant...research, using correct parts, do it once and do it right, but more importantly do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotex Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I have never heard of sing the Ford F350 rear links. Sounds like a good choice to me. How long are they? Thanks for the link. If you have the Ford links handy, could you stick a tape measure on for the eye-to-end length? Just curious how much longer they are than the 1992+ stock links. At your leisure of course. :cheers: Hornbrod, I measured the Ford links at 10" long eye-to-end. As I was walking back to the house, I passed my 06 Rubicon, and glanced at the Rough Country Links installed. I thought to my self that the diameter of the metal looked smaller than the Ford ones, so I went back in my shop and grabbed a set of calipers and measured the OD of both. The Ford links are .585", and the R.C. links are .520". I realize that links don't usually fail due to the round stock being too small, rather the ends get bent or fail at the threaded portion, but thought that I should mention this tid bit so that everyone can draw their own conclusions. Personally I don't think either set of links would fail as long as the rest of the suspension is up to par, and the OP's clearly is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Gracias Biotex. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Huh. So hornbrod deleted my previous post here that started page 2. I look at the OP like this; His rear shackles are not safe nor functional as necessary. they are slapped together and bushingless on the top, using inferior grade bolts, without reinforcement between them His front lift comprises of spacers and spring boosters. He is already too high for stock lower control arms, which I'm sure he has. What I can see there is a 3.5" or 4" lift, judging from the angle of the bad/bent swaybar links. nothing is done right, and the parts he's wanting to use aren't for this application. You can buy a set of rough country links for $40 to your door off ebay brand new, and they're made for it. Uh duh, yeah,. That's what I meant...research, using correct parts, do it once and do it right, but more importantly do it right. I was completely backing that up, and disagreeing with Hornbrod and all of the others who think using the wrong parts, or doing it wrong, or IN ANY WAY are suggesting to the original poster that he should continue as he is.The OP has got a completely bastardized MJ. The links are fubar because the coils are fubar, with spacers on top and these junk spring boosters, which means his control arms are fubar, not to mention the ratty, terrible rear suspension he's got going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Oops - guess I did. :hmm: If so, sorry, it was unintentional. And no one no way is suggesting to the original poster that he should continue as he is; it is completely fubar. I just need a couple of end links a bit longer than the stock ones I have now so the sway bar arm ends will be parallel with the ground at rest. The Ford links will work just fine for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeepcoMJ Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Don, I understand saving a buck, and no doubt the ford links are nice when new, but with the money you have into that thing, don't you want something name brand and nice on it? I'm actually surprised you haven't dug up a nice aftermarket swaybar for that thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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