87Chief Posted August 27, 2012 Author Share Posted August 27, 2012 Yeah, exactly... That's why I come here where people actually know what they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Ok guys, got my jeep on the alignment machine at my new job, that I can check it.. The camber on the passenger side was -.09 in the red.. It has been pulling to the right for quite some time. I decided to take a picture of the spindles.. Also, to help my caster go more towards 7.5 degrees, would adjustable upper control arms help? I put 4mm shims in and it only went up to 3 degrees positive.. Here is a pic of the driver's side (in green) Passenger (-.09) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Hmmm... After looking at the pictures closer, it looks like the axle or sway bar is shifted to the right.. If you look at the sway bar links, they are not fully together.. Any suggestions? Is my axle bent, I remember tightening down the sway bar links all the way.. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 I don't feel too comfortable driving this until I get this fixed. Could it possibly be my track bar that is causing the shift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 Before: After: Anything I can do? Upper control arms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexia Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yikes! You will probably need to buy adjustable control arms. There are cam bolts you can buy for the lower control arms at the axle, but they cost a ridiculous amount at the dealership. Also, it does not look like your axle is drilled for the cam bolts. Buy lower adjustable control arms if the wheels are too far backwards in the wheel arms and upper for too far forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 So I would just need the lower control arms then correct? Thanks for the reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 I'm only seeing adjustables for 4"-6" lifts.. like the rough xountry's ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexia Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 The stock lower control arm is 15.75" center to center. A 2" lift should need about a 15.8" length. A 3" lift, 16" length. The stock WJ lower control arm is 16" which should be more than enough for you. I am wondering if something is bent in your setup or if they are measuring it incorrectly. Savvy Offroad makes a set of control arms that should be adjustable down to the range you need. As well, they will not fall apart like the Rough Country arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 I will try to take pictures of the front end tonight and post them here to see if anything is out of whack. Maybe a coil spring is not mounted correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 I put new tires and wheels on today and I was looking at it from the side... I noticed this.. It bothers me like crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbyrambler Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Don't know, but to me your truck looks a little taller than a 2" lift - - Did U do the work? - - - Tires too close to back of wheel well? Pic of front DS looks to me like dif pinion is a little high - - Longer LCAs will help with both - - - Know it's all over, but here 'tis again Control Arm Length Chart Lift...........LCA UCA Stock ......15.75.......15 ¾........15.00.......15 2”.............15.92.......16........... 14.88.......15 3”............ 16.09.......16.......... .14.92.......15 4”.............16.33.......16 3/8......15.03.......15 4.5” .........16.47.......16 ½........15.11.......15 5”.............16.62.......16 5/8......15.21.......15 ¼ 6” ............16.97.......17........ ..15.44.......15 ½ 7”.............17.36.......17 3/8......15.74.......15 ¾ 8”.............17.81.......17 ¾........16.09.......16 9”.............18.30.......18 ¼........16.50.......16 ½ 10” ..........18.82...... 18 ¾........16.96.......17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 OK I will take a picture of the front end.tonight and hopefully get an idea. Would upper control arms help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbyrambler Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Did U do the lift or are you taking the word of someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 I put it on awhile back. Just 2" pucks in the front and chevy drop shackles in the rear. I know I didn't disconnect any upper control arms, I did disconnect the lower.. I am thinking that my uppers are bent. Possibly.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Put two more 4mm shims, one on each side, then check it again. If still low, two more until caster reads close to +5* on each side. Then I think you will be golden. No way should you need adj. LCAs with that small lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 I can't fit anymore shims behind the LCA's.. The clevis (?) with the two studs are almost to the point where I can't put the nut on to tighten them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounty Hunter Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The pics looked like you could fit a little more shim, even on the passenger side where the bolts are shorter. Also judging from the pic your pinion angle is too high, which should correct itself once you lengthen the lower control arms to correct caster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 I did put another 4mm shim in after the picture on the first page and there are no threads left showing on the passenger side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I did put another 4mm shim in after the picture on the first page and there are no threads left showing on the passenger side... Not a problem. Any threads that are showing do nothing but collect rust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 Here are some pics I just took.. Driver's Passenger Front on: It is on jackstands with axle free.. Driver's of the spacer Passenger Thanks for all the help so far guys! I'm learning a lot. What do I do now since I can't move the passenger LCA anymore? Swap axles or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbyrambler Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 OK - U did the lift - good, one less consideration - - - Pic of dif & front DS no apply since 4mm was added after - New pic showing pinion angle would help - - - U may be finished as far as the caster thing goes - - - Pinion angle should now be close to zero, esp since WJ LCA are 16" IIRC & shims have been added to boot - - - Trucks looking good - - The 31s make the wheel well position look a little skewed to the rear but that's another issue U can tackle after you're satisfied with caster. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Why are the passenger's side shim studs maxed out while the drivers side has plenty of room? Are the studs the same length on both sides? Do you have an equal thickness of shims on both sides? Also, have you figured out how to measure caster on both sides with an angle finder yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Chief Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 The passenger's have plenty of shims in there, about 2-3x as much as the driver's.. I have no Idea why, it started this after the lift.. No I have no figured it out yet, haven't had a chance to find a angler finder. Maybe northern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbyrambler Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Angle finders at Lowes - Home Depot approx $10, BUT http://www.harborfreight.com/dial-gauge-angle-finder-34214.html :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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