JOMJ87 Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Ok Pat I have a few questions on your exo cage I am posting pics so you see what I am refering to. I plan to do an EXO cage and your front looks like a great option to base mine off of. Now here it goes 1: Will the same design you used on JUST the front be good enough for roll over?? 2: Did you plate the unibody? And How? 3: Do the Double bars mess with your vision? 4: Can you do an In depth right up on the build of it if you remember and I'm talking every detial? (only if you think it will work for me) 5: The bar on the door....Could it be moved so my stock doors could work and still do its job? 6: how much of what kind of tubeing to do Just the front? 7: Any special stuff to consider??? Thanks for your time I just wan tot get it right and I think you have proved yourself to be one of the most techy on this stuff. Pics below Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 1: Will the same design you used on JUST the front be good enough for roll over?? You'll want some sort of triangulation in the structure behind the cab or your exo will be a flexo. Which ain't good for a roll-over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOMJ87 Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share Posted January 13, 2007 Understodd and I should have explained what I wanted to do with it. OK I am going to make a Roll bar for the rear bed area out of 2" and tie them together so it does spread the wieght I just didnt have a clue about where to start with the front to make sure I am good flopped over. I really like Pongs cage after I seen the pics of all the dif. points in it. Hopefully I can get it to work out. Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Do you want to run doors? You can't with his cage. To design it to be as strong as that and still have working doors gets a bit trickier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOMJ87 Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share Posted January 13, 2007 Thats is what one of questions is The bar he has that blocks the doors....I was thinking of moving it so that I could CUT the corner of the door and it clear Ill do a MS Paint drawing of it just be a second.... Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOMJ87 Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share Posted January 13, 2007 OK here is what I thought but it may be overkill. I think it would help alot with the transfer of energy and all let me know if that looks like it would work. EDIT::: I forgot to mention for those who don't realize The bar blocking the door would be removed. Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettM Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 that rearward red triangle thing is pointless. If you want to run doors still, make a B-pillar hoop just behind the cab with an X in it, then make an additional downbar on each side that is simply verticle and as close to the door as yo ucan while still allowing it to open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOMJ87 Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share Posted January 13, 2007 Thanks for the input Brett I will take this and draw another of what you had said. I Had thought of your way at first but then I thought Triangles are stronger so why not do one there. :dunno: Well let me see what I can draw Up. Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOMJ87 Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share Posted January 13, 2007 OK here is anaother and just so you guys Know as of now I will have a bed so I have to contend with that. Here are three diff drawings I hope you can understand the drawings. :oops: Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 We used 2x.250 wall for my rock rails, and we did not plate the frame. we used 4 mounting plates per side to mount the rails. The reason why we didnt do anything else upfront cause the phase 3 of the build up was to narrow the front... which is going to happen on this build. Up front the bumper is used to mount and stiffen it up. If you look at some of the other build pics you will see how we triagulated the main hoop to give it added strength. I used about 200' of tubing to build my exo and rear half. I know that sounds like a lot, but keep in mind that yo have some cut loss on the end of bends. I know a couple of ppl who have built complete buggies with that much tube, plus some 2x4x.250. Would I change anything.. Of course... I would have linked the rear last yr. I would have made the door bars not as tall in the door way to help with getting in and out. It is really going to be a PITA once Pong is sitting on 42's to get in and out. Things to consider.... Type of tubing you will use, and the size. Find out if windshield bars are legal... they are not In VA, but I thought they were needed for rollover protection. Also the type of suspension. I really wish I would have done it right last yr... Now I am having to change or re-do alot of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOMJ87 Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share Posted January 13, 2007 Thanks for the reply. Also do you think my idea is good enough or should I do anything different??? Thanks for your time. Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 Good enough might not do it... I tried to build Pong to survive a mutiple roll, and be able to wheel after. The next phase of my build up is going to add more triangulation, and remove more of the factory stuff. I am even considring building an interior cage so i can have a drivers "capsule" to survive the catastrophic roll... you know the mutiple endo and barrel roll combo :eek: As far as your design goes... There are programs out there that can simulate forces and it can give you an idea on what can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feerocknok Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 As far as your design goes... There are programs out there that can simulate forces and it can give you an idea on what can happen. Isn't there a program called BendTech Pro or something like that? I've seen prerunner guys use it, and it looks priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 Bend tech pro is a program to help design cages... I am not sure if it can simulate forces on a cage or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feerocknok Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 Might've been a diff program than. The one I saw shows tubes in red and green I remember, to show how well it'll hold the stress. I'll try to find it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyComanche Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 I dunno that there's a good proggy to do that, but I'd not be too worried. If you actually want lots of feedback or exo ideas, I'd talk to the 'yota guys. I know their brains have been warped by trying to break the 100HP envelope with their 22Rs, but they still know how to build a cage. Sometimes. But yeah, the trucks are similarily shaped and dimensioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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