Tonkatruck

Hey there, Just trying to do some calculations and new to MJs, old to Jeeps. In a 1986 4cyl, auto, 2wd, longbed MJ - what transmission would be used in it and what would the gear ratios be?? Also, what gears would be found in the rear axle? Thanks in advance Tonka

I know this is somewhat off topic from the original thread and you'll likely think I'm crazy just for asking ...but.... How would a 89 727 from an FSJ Grand Waggy mate to the 2.5L in an 86 MJ? (Want to get the tranny in their and do a 4wd conversion before I put in a Cummins 4cyl so thats why I ask) I have the tranny left over from the 360 I put in my Cj so for the low cost of 'on the house' I thought it might be worth asking

Haha, thanks and thanks to the fact the Canuck Buck is at par. Those malls will stay extra busy for a while.

Jeez, thats actually kinda too bad for the environment but good for enthusiasts like us. The only reason it came into effect into Ontario is because of political pressure. Then they rushed to have a system implemented which is greatly flawed and don't test properly but everything cost soooo much (ie. the testing machine is roughly a hundred grand) they have to keep it around.

I found that post but it was from July. Anyone with info I would love a PM :)

Oh, your Canadian? Weird..... Do you know Office Bob then? Hes Canadian... Ehh....? :Canadaflag: ;) So anyways.... From DriveClean.ca website: "As of January 1, 2006, Drive Clean regulations require testing every two years for light-duty vehicles beginning when they are five years old (in the fifth calendar year after their model year) rather than when they are three years old (in the third calendar year after their model year). This means that testing begins with 2001 model vehicles in 2006, and 2002 model vehicles in 2007. The exemption for 20-year-old light-duty vehicles is ending as we begin to focus more on the vehicles most likely to pollute. All cars, 1988 model year and newer, will require emissions testing until they are taken out of service. These vehicles would have had their last test for registration renewal in 2007, when they were 19 years old. They will now need to continue to be tested in 2009 and ever two years after that." NEXT: From the Driveclean operators HandBook: "Hot Rod: a motor vehicle up to and including model year 1999, in which the original motor has been replaced with a motor (different block) of a type not installed on that model year by the manufacturer" Sounds good so far - however also from drive clean website: "What happens if I change(d) the motor in my Light-Duty vehicle? If the vehicle is included in the program (appropriate age, registered in the program area), it will be considered a hot rod if the motor differs from the type that was originally offered by the manufacturer for that particular model year. All hot rods registered as the model year 1999 or earlier will continue to be tested according to 1980 emission standards. Vehicles registered as model year 2000 and later will be tested according to emission standards for their model year. Vehicles built to non-Canadian standards but imported into Canada will be tested similarly. Other specialty vehicles will be tested according to 1980 emission standards for an indefinite period, except for vehicles that have "kit" marked on the vehicle licence. Kit cars are exempt from the Drive Clean program. " So... I dunno. Like I said I've been through this all before. Coming up with these quotes took about 1.5 minutes using Google. I'm a huge fan of neat swaps so don't get me wrong. As a personal choice, I know strongly dislike the 4.2L and if you want it to pass drive clean in my opinion it is definately the WRONG choice. I've had soooo many headaches with driveclean you wouldnt believe. Not to mention an argument with a driveclean shop to explain to them why and how my jeep was a hotrod classification. And ya, I'm Canadian too. Alternate between Windsor and Mississauga. Use Jeepkings.ca as a resource cause driveclean has been beat to death on there - thats where I originally saw your forsale post. Looks like a nice jeep. I know I practically don't post on here but saw this and wanted to chime in cause I strongly hate the driveclean program and didnt want another person to get screwed.

Sorry, I'm sure I came off pretty abrasive and thats not the way I meant it. If your insurance is a go then you don't have to worry about it. For the current laws of etesting (unless something changed I don't know about within the last few days) is that the rolling year exemption is no longer so. Everyvehicle 1988 and newer will always have to be tested. 1987 and older are exempt and there are future plans to have that changed to 1980 and older. Your absolutely right, the 4.2L wasnt offered so it will most definately be a hotrod class - THIS DOES NOT MAKE IT EXEMPT. Hotrod classifications give it higher limits but not an exemption. I had an 1989 Yj with first a built 4.2L bored out that I had classified as Hotrod, then a 4.3L chev v6 in it also classified as hotrod. For example, it made one limit go form 120ppm to 300ppm *unfortunately I still failed with the 4.2L. There is also newer stipulations I'm not 100% sure about but the idea they're trying to go with is you are not supposed to be able to swap in older engines and have a hotrod classifications as you are to meet your vehicles emmisions laws. But this shouldnt apply to you from my understanding of the law. Despite legality issues.... i would 'buy' an 87 manche and swap over all my components to that.... wink wink...nudge nudge... and it could even look just like yours does now.....

Thats completely wrong btw. Figured I'd let you know before you start swapping stuff. You still have to do an etest it is just different limits and it will likely be harder to get insurance because your technically supposed to let MTO know. I've been through all this before if you want more info. And personally, you couldnt pay me enough to put in a 4.2L

I kinda like the tiger stripes - but flat black is probably what your gonna go for. Then again... since i say tiger stripes... looks like your doing tiger stripes.

i also suggest the 700 and am looking for one for my self as well. Not 100% sure of tcases either but am wondering if my current 231 will mate up to it as well since i've already got a SYE kit installed and custom matching driveshaft and don't want to have to do that all over again. Maybe someone here can answer that question for me as well just outta curiousity and don't mean to sidetrack your post. Also, what about size and fitment into the truck? Will i be close to the same length with the 700 vs the 5spd i currently have?? Thanks. BTW... i'm looking because i just blew up my tranny this last weekend. :headpop: :headpop: Sinnaevd you need to call me.

Ya, your absolutely right. I know about the J trucks i just didnt think about it as i meant more modern and recent ones now. Like i said as well, i figure it is the competition with the ram they don't want.

Well, i'm just looking into the possibilities and i figure the first step would be to ask the people that know better than i do, so thanks for the input. So... we've vittoed the comanche, a Zj may or may not be able to but is not recommended.... So, a 1500 chev or F150 sound good to you guys? Then likely a tow bar because i can't afford a flatbed yet, but soon hopefully if i can find a good used one.

Wow, thats 10x better looking than the actual vehicle... thats always surprised me - that Jeep known for its capable offroad and rugged machine never built a fullsize truck. You figure its the next logical step or atleast i would. I guess maybe they don't want anythign to compete with the Rams. Hmm... Its a shame tho because throw a diesel or hemi in that thing and it would be SCHWEEEET!!

I think he has, hes probably been keeping an eye on it from the get go but who knows for sure. Basically the story is i hate the cavalier i drive everyday and would much rather be in a truck that would be able to suit my daily needs. I can get an unbelievable deal on an 90 manche that would be quite sweet. Plus i have enough parts to maintain it indefinately and i'm a diehard jeeper.... but... i'm concerned with a commanche being able to do it safely - mianly the breaking because those 4.0s do have quite a nice bit of torque and power but i've never actually tried it. I've towed a yj tub and axles on a 4x8 trailer with both my 90 cherokee on 33s and my 94stock cherokee and it wasnt even a hiccup really. Not the same as built yj but gives me an idea. Now i don't have either of those vehicle tho so unto something else. On a daily basis, a small truck like a manche would fit the bill for my needs, but figure if i'm going to go to a truck might as well have something to tow my yj and start towing it from now on so that if i break 4, 5,6+ hours away from home, i still get home the next day if Shyte hits the fan. Soo... thats why we got into this debate and sinnaevd posted asking. Tho my dream truck ( a cummins TD 4dr 2500) is completely out of my pricerange and will likely be for the next 5-10 yrs, i'm looking at either this awesome of a deal commance and be able to afford to keeep my car till i get this one on the road for 100% safe, or sell everything i own and get eitehr a Chev 1500 or Ford f150. However, if the opinion is that i could get a Commanche and then spent the extra money on a flatbed which i want mainly just cause they're cool and useful, i would probably do that, however my biggest concern is the 'wag the dog' syndrome where my tailend Yj is gonna try to steer the manche. Soooo..... Opinions??? Tonka