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I'm in the process of changing out my starter relay in hopes that this is my problem. But of course that creates another problem :wall: . My relay has 4 prongs and a stud on it for connection points. The problem here is that every manual I read and every parts store i've gone to only have one with 3 prongs. Is this how they came factory? The manual I'm looking at has the stud labeled battery, and the prongs labeled (SOL) solenoid, (I) ignition, (G) ground. My relay has all these and an extra one labeled (F) Does anyone know what this is for? Can I bypass it?

 

Red arrow points to the mystery terminal

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What manual is that diagram from?

 

Remember the ballast resistor and related by-pass circuit was introduced in the 1988 model year. (And as a TSB update for the 1987s.) I wonder if the 'F' terminal on yours powers the fuel pump, perhaps on the bypass mode? The diagram in the book may not have taken the ballast resistor circuit into account.

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got that out of my chilton. I guess it could be fuel related, but i can not find one with that (F) prong. I just ordered one without, i guess i'll see what happens. I traced the wire as far as i can without taking anything apart, and it runs into the front clip near the PS headlight. I may tear the nose off an trace it farther.

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If you can get a 1989 FSM, Electrical, page 8W-182 (wire diagrams) diagram #9.

 

It shows the 5 terminal starter relay as your asking, and the sectional view show the 20 ga Orange wire coming off the "5th" terminal, which is also internally connected with the starter solenoid.

 

Splicing that should solve your problem, as the fuel pump is still controlled thru the right hand shock tower's fuel pump relay.

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why pay $10 for a used one when you can buy a new one for $19.95?

 

It wasn't used, it was brand new from a parts house close out.

 

I don't buy used electronics items :no:

 

 

 

And.......to answer Mr. Eagles question, the original post was what to do with a 4 terminal starter relay when a 5 terminal relay is required, and I posted in the 5th post, what to do, and how to verified the info I posted.

 

The additional info was posted where to buy a 5 post Jeep starter relay, and I just added that they can be found on e-bay (brand new).

 

 

 

Yes, most posts get side track around here, But.......this is the ComanchClub :yes:

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And.......to answer Mr. Eagles question, the original post was what to do with a 4 terminal starter relay when a 5 terminal relay is required, and I posted in the 5th post, what to do, and how to verified the info I posted.

No, that was the beginning of THIS thread. What I want to know is -- what are the symptoms of the no-start problem, since that's what led to seeking a new starter relay. That information is hidden away in another thread somewhere.

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Begin at the beginning, Grasshopper.

 

The sequence of power is: ignition switch ==> relay ==> solenoid ==> starter. If the relay doesn't click, and a NEW relay doesn't click, you need to use a test light or multimeter to verify whether or not you are getting power to the relay when the key is turned to START. Assuming the test light or multimeter confirms no power, you need to look UPstream, not downstream.

 

Ignition switch.

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As a quick test, remove the wire from the relay terminal marked "Ignition." Short that to the threaded stud where the lead from the battery connects. That should energize the solenoid and make the starter spin.

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As a quick test, remove the wire from the relay terminal marked "Ignition." Short that to the threaded stud where the lead from the battery connects. That should energize the solenoid and make the starter spin.

To clarify --

 

You want to short the battery (screw) terminal to the "Ignition" terminal. Don't connect the wire from the ignition terminal to the threaded stud.

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