AMC-CaminO chech it out !

[mvusse]

AMC did more with less,

and when they finally did get developmental bucks (Renault 'partnership' ), they had to obey they're supreme overlords as to where & how they spent the money (not to mention being forced to sell off the cash cow AM General).

 

 

Imagine AMC flush with money (even more than they were for the short time Renault was interested in the US market), but without a (French) government owned entity pulling the strings.

 

Add in all the $$$$ AM General received from building Hummers for 3 wars, then later signing a deal with GM

(tho the GM deal might not have happened if AMC still owned AM General).

Even better, imaging if AMC spun off the retail Hummer brand, next to Jeep, and made all the rapstar bucks from selling H2's themselves (not likely, but possible).

 

 

It sucks that at the beginning of the Truck/SUV surge, AMC had all the pieces in place to completely dominate the market,

but the lacked the money, and control of their own corporation to do it.

 

The federal government gave the option of 1) Renault couldn't buy AM General or 2) AM General will lose it's military contract. No foreign government is allowed to have control over US military contracts. Renault is partly owned by the french government.

 

AMC/Kaiser was on the verge of bankruptcy. and NEEDED the deal with Renault to happen. The only way to make it happen was to split off AM General.

 

And AM General did not make a deal with GM, GM BOUGHT AM General. Although AM General did use a GM engine and drive train in it's Humvees all along.

[AMC-MJ]

AM-General:

http://www.amgeneral.com/corporate/history.php

 

Not GM owned but was involved with a joint venture with . . .

 

 

Mike

[mvusse]

GM acquired the exclusive ownership of the HUMMER brand name worldwide and the current HUMMER was renamed the HUMMER H1. In 2002, AM General began assembling the HUMMER H2, a new "next generation" sport utility vehicle designed by GM, at a new factory in Mishawaka. GM now has responsibility for marketing and distributing all HUMMERs. Although GM acquired the HUMMER brand, they do not own any part of AM General.

 

I stand corrected.

[jpnjim]

AMC did more with less,

and when they finally did get developmental bucks (Renault 'partnership' ), they had to obey they're supreme overlords as to where & how they spent the money (not to mention being forced to sell off the cash cow AM General).

 

 

Imagine AMC flush with money (even more than they were for the short time Renault was interested in the US market), but without a (French) government owned entity pulling the strings.

 

Add in all the $$$$ AM General received from building Hummers for 3 wars, then later signing a deal with GM

(tho the GM deal might not have happened if AMC still owned AM General).

Even better, imaging if AMC spun off the retail Hummer brand, next to Jeep, and made all the rapstar bucks from selling H2's themselves (not likely, but possible).

 

 

It sucks that at the beginning of the Truck/SUV surge, AMC had all the pieces in place to completely dominate the market,

but the lacked the money, and control of their own corporation to do it.

 

The federal government gave the option of 1) Renault couldn't buy AM General or 2) AM General will lose it's military contract. No foreign government is allowed to have control over US military contracts. Renault is partly owned by the french government.

 

AMC/Kaiser was on the verge of bankruptcy. and NEEDED the deal with Renault to happen. The only way to make it happen was to split off AM General.

 

And AM General did not make a deal with GM, GM BOUGHT AM General. Although AM General did use a GM engine and drive train in it's Humvees all along.

 

 

I think this is pretty much how I explained it (except for the Hummer part, which you clarified above).

 

As far as AMC being almost bankrupt, Chrysler was in the same boat, but was able to secure that federal loan.

AMC wasn't given that option, so they had to go find a suitor that could fill the company coffers, without completely tearing the company apart.

 

When Renault decided to head into a different direction, the next suitor, Chrysler, was only interested in Jeep, and (the part that gets overlooked) AMC's extremely capable engineering team.

Tossing what they did not want (AMC) into the toilet.

 

 

It's not a stretch to say AMC engineers revitalized the Dodge Truck division,

from their chassis & suspension design (compare a pre-92 Dodge Ram with the 'Jeep-ercized' 93+ Ram's), to engine design (AMC'erized the LA engine series to create the Magnum series of engines).

 

It's a shame when you think what could've been if AMC had gotten access to the development money (guberment bailout), without the strings attached to the Renault & Chrysler money.

[AMC-MJ]

It's not a stretch to say AMC engineers revitalized the Dodge Truck division,

from their chassis & suspension design (compare a pre-92 Dodge Ram with the 'Jeep-ercized' 93+ Ram's), to engine design (AMC'erized the LA engine series to create the Magnum series of engines).

 

It's a shame when you think what could've been if AMC had gotten access to the development money (guberment bailout), without the strings attached to the Renault & Chrysler money.

 

Yup this very true, I see you notice as i did that "All New" RAM front suspension for the 93/94+ Model years are the AMC XJ/MJ just enlarged ;)

 

No doubt that 5.9L Magnum V-8 was an updated AMC-360 ;) Give the next one you see a good looking over

 

 

Mike

[freakjeep93]

It's not a stretch to say AMC engineers revitalized the Dodge Truck division,

from their chassis & suspension design (compare a pre-92 Dodge Ram with the 'Jeep-ercized' 93+ Ram's), to engine design (AMC'erized the LA engine series to create the Magnum series of engines).

 

It's a shame when you think what could've been if AMC had gotten access to the development money (guberment bailout), without the strings attached to the Renault & Chrysler money.

 

Yup this very true, I see you notice as i did that "All New" RAM front suspension for the 93/94+ Model years are the AMC XJ/MJ just enlarged ;)

 

No doubt that 5.9L Magnum V-8 was an updated AMC-360 ;) Give the next one you see a good looking over

 

 

Mike

i was looking a ram a few days ago and the frond solid axels has an almost identical setuf as the xj/mj

[AMC-MJ]

Told ya so

 

Mike