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There was a discussion about 4-cylinder clutch size awhile back. At least for one member here, the IS a wrong size, and his parts store listing (IIRC) was incorrect. I'd give you the link, but I would have to search for it and it's Christmas eve, so I'll leave you to search for it yourself. It was not more than six months ago, I think, and maybe not more than three months back.

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eagle that was me,

i was just going over things that could be making it not work,

 

on further analysis i found that the transmission was engaging while it was in neutral.

is that a problem with over torqued clutch?

Huh?

 

The clutch only connects the transmission to the engine, it doesn't have anything to do with shifting. If the transmission is in gear when the shift lever says it should be in neutral, there's a transmission problem -- either instead of a clutch problem, or possibly in addition to a clutch problem. Over-torquing the pressure plate bolts won't cause the clutch to malfunction, but it may cause the bolts to snap (which would not be pretty).

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That doesn't mean its engaged. This is because with the transmission in neutral and the clutch out, all of the gears in the transmission still mesh and spin, riding on bearings on the output shaft, in order to put power to the ground, a collar with "dog teeth" on it, engage into the side of the gear, and connect it to the output shaft. If there is not enough resistance to hold the output shaft in place (IE, driveshaft installed, wheels on ground, the tires will put enough pressure against the input shaft to hold it in place). Ive had cars at work (I'm a Honda technician) that even spin the tires in neutral when they are off the ground, but as soon as the tires touch the ground, there is enough resistance to stop the tires from spinning, and the bearings allow the output shaft and the gears to spin at different speeds. This is hard to understand with me just writing it out.

Bottom line, install your driveshaft, the problem (more of a non-problem) will be gone! Had we known that you were finding these results with the drive shaft disconnected, we could have solved this much quicker.

This reading gives a good understanding of how manual transmissions work: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission.htm

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