Piilgrim82 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Hi everyone, just curious if any of you have tried the American Racing AR767 Wheels on your MJ, and what fitment and reviews you might be able to offer. I'm looking for a new set of rims that will allow the stance to be wide enough to come just outside the fender flares on a stock lift. I have the stock aluminum spoked wheels, which with 235/75r15's come almost to the edge in the front, and to my understanding are 15x7 with 5.25" backspacing. Since the american racing ones say they are 15x7 with 4" backspacing I assume these ought to do the trick (along with some spacers in the rear). Please correct me if I'm wrong! https://www.americanracing.com/product/wheels/ar767/?attribute_pa_finish=gloss-black-steel-with-red-and-blue-stripe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 stock height? what size tires are you looking to run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piilgrim82 Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 I guess I’m also assuming it’s “stock”...here are some photos, looks like from the top of my tires to the bottom of the fender flare I’m currently 5in in the rear and 4.5 in the front (I’m assuming due to the weight of the winch on the front bumper). As for tires I’d run as large as I can, but I think I’ve seen on other posts that 235/75r15 is the widest people recommend on a 15x7 wheel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 usually you should measure from the center of the hub to the flare so as to not being in the variation in tire sizes. 235s should be fine. 30x9.5s might even work. you can also keep the super awesome turbines you've got and add just wheel spacers keep in mind that a lot of locations have laws against tires sticking out. also, also, you can add wheel spacers to only the rear to make everything look balanced. see, the MJ has a bit of a wide butt... couple inches wider than an XJ back there. And so adding spacers to just the rear axle will bring those tires out and stop it from looking tucked-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piilgrim82 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 Thanks for all the help! Are there any spacer you’d recommend? Old links I’ve found on other pages have an expired URL :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 the off-brand manufacturers have seriously stepped up their game with spacers. failures are quite rare. As long as it says that they are hub-centric, you should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piilgrim82 Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 Hey @Pete M a bit of news and a couple more questions...I decided to order these bad boys https://www.4wheelparts.ca/p/method-race-wheels-301-the-standard-15x7-with-5-on-4-5-bolt-pattern-matte-black-mr30157012506n/_/R-GNQP-MR30157012506N?_requestid=73182# I'll hang on to my wagon wheel aluminum wheels (maybe for studded tires) but just wanted something to give me the width I want in the front then I can still ad a spacer in the back to even them out if I decide I'd rather the look. ...These have 3.75in backspacing, so my concern now is that I've seen in other threads people saying going with less backspacing means that at full compression the tire can smash the fender flare...do you think this will be the case if I go with a 30x9.5 tire? I'm thinking of getting the BF Goodrich K02 All Terrains. If you think there could be an issue there, do you think a 2" lift would do the trick? From what I'm seeing they look cheap and easy to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 I do not know if you'll clear or not, but there are ways to adapt. a 1.5" or 2" spacer can give additional turning clearance, and a longer bumpstop can keep the tire out of your fender during compression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piilgrim82 Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 Wow, thanks for the quick reply! Super helpful as I am trying to order what I need as soon as possible. So you're thinking spring spacer (the don't/hockey puck) in front, and then bump stop in back? Looking at your profile pic I really like your setup! How much lift are you running, and what is your opinion on a 2" lift (vs 3-6in)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piilgrim82 Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 I'm thinking of this one https://www.4wheelparts.ca/p/skyjacker-2-inch-suspension-lift-kit-with-black-max-shocks-xj20-b/_/R-BHNG-XJ20-B....if it could solve any clearance problems plus give me a lift, that would be nice. From what I gather, higher than 2" becomes a lot more involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 that is correct. a budget boost is pretty straight forward and cheap. after that you get into control arms, brakelines, trackbar etc. the front can be either a hickey puck style in the bottom of the spring, or a longer poly one to replace your current rubber one. chances are you'll be fine out back for bumpstops. the big issue is the front where turning while flexing can get things closer than flexing alone. that particular lift is for an XJ and so that shackle might not be any longer than your current one. MJ shackles are longer than XJ. you'll want to call and see what they measure. be aware that a change in ride height can expose how bad any worn out parts are. and might need an alignment. it can still get expensive to do, but usually it's now a matter of replacing parts that are bad rather than simply too short. and lastly, that is an INSANE amount of money for a budget boost. you should be looking for front spacers for under 100 USD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piilgrim82 Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, Pete M said: that is correct. a budget boost is pretty straight forward and cheap. after that you get into control arms, brakelines, trackbar etc. the front can be either a hickey puck style in the bottom of the spring, or a longer poly one to replace your current rubber one. chances are you'll be fine out back for bumpstops. the big issue is the front where turning while flexing can get things closer than flexing alone. that particular lift is for an XJ and so that shackle might not be any longer than your current one. MJ shackles are longer than XJ. you'll want to call and see what they measure. be aware that a change in ride height can expose how bad any worn out parts are. and might need an alignment. it can still get expensive to do, but usually it's now a matter of replacing parts that are bad rather than simply too short. and lastly, that is an INSANE amount of money for a budget boost. you should be looking for front spacers for under 100 USD. INCREDIBLY helpful! I'll look into cheaper alternatives, it did seem pricey for what you get. I saw that Rough Country has a 3" kit for cheaper price https://www.roughcountry.com/jeep-suspension-lift-kit-625-20.html ...is pretty much guarunteed that at 3" I'd need those extra bits, or is it case by case? For the immediate future my concern is just the back wheels rubbing the fenders as I'll be towing a trailer and so running at max GVWR and don't wanna be dragging those tires in the wheel wells....but wanting a lift for the more fun activities too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 be careful. it's a super slippery slope of spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 oh, and the truck in the avatar is a bit over 5" on 33s and fullsize ford axles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piilgrim82 Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 33 minutes ago, Pete M said: oh, and the truck in the avatar is a bit over 5" on 33s and fullsize ford axles. Coolio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piilgrim82 Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 PS I went to measure what the bump stop gap is that I currently have, and it's about 2.5 in on the front and back...if my math is right that should stop the 30x9.5's from hitting the fender flares! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Piilgrim82 said: ...These have 3.75in backspacing, so my concern now is that I've seen in other threads people saying going with less backspacing means that at full compression the tire can smash the fender flare...do you think this will be the case if I go with a 30x9.5 tire? I'm thinking of getting the BF Goodrich K02 All Terrains. If you think there could be an issue there, do you think a 2" lift would do the trick? From what I'm seeing they look cheap and easy to do. You are going from 5.25" backspacing to 3.75" backspacing -- that means you're moving the tires out a full inch and a half. Yes, you will likely mash the front flares. You will also almost certainly have problems turn the steering wheel to full lock, because the tires will hit the flares. And a lift will NOT fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piilgrim82 Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 Well, fingers crossed! I already paid the deposit on them...I’ll post an update once I have them on! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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