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Clutch issue, may be cold related?


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Hey all, so my '86 MJ with the AX5 manual trans is giving me issues....

 

I drove it about 2 weeks ago and it's been sitting because I need to replace an axle seal.

 

I went to move it this week, when the weather had dipped into the single digits, and I can't get it to go into gear.

 

Symptoms:

With the truck off, I can clutch and shift into every gear, no problem.

With the trans in 1st, trying to start it results in the starter pulling the jeep forward (as expected)

When started in neutral, starts, runs great.

When I try to shift into 1st, it's gated, it blocks you completely.

Reverse tries to grind the gears.

 

My first thought was that maybe the brake fluid is frozen. I'm pretty sure it's got ice in the lines. the fluid is the color and consistency of grey/black water. Nothing vegetable oil color or consistency about it. I've obviously got to do a flush when it warms up.

 

The reason I'm leaning towards a freeze is that the trans has been perfect until now. No symptoms of master/slave failure or anything.

 

Can anyone think of anything else? Anything maybe I should check?

 

It got up to 35 yesterday, the jeep ran for a good 15 minutes, enough that the cab was nice and toasty. No luck, either it's just not warm enough for long enough to thaw the lines, or something else is shot.

 

Any input, stories, ideas would be appreciated, I really need this thing to move!

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The clutch and the brakes are not connected....is your clutch reservoir filled to the fill line with dot 3 ( or better) fluid

 

And with all do respect.....the clutch reservoir not the break reservoir 

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Bleeder will be coming out of the bell housing....Probably 5/16 or 8 mm (looks like a brake bleeder screw.

 

 

As for the other look at the drivers side of the trans....if it is an external ......you will see it bolted there....internal you will not be able to see

 

           Internal                                                                                                           External

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Thanks man! you've been awesome! Thanks for accepting my newbness.

 

Did a rebuild of the NAG-1 transmission in my 2009 SRT8, did AMG shift solenoids in it. Yet somehow this thing is another language completely. It's fun (and frustrating) to learn a new side. 

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So i climbed under the jeep to get a look, and I think i've got an internal slave.

 

Here are some pics,

 

Pass side:

 

Driver's side:

 

i assume this complicates things..... Is there a way to bleed these? Looks like the hard line in the foreground of the driver's pic is the clutch line. Is that link on the bottom a bleed spot?

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1- No the link is not a "Bleed spot" It is how you would remove the line if you want to take the trans out.

 

2- No it being internal does not make it harder or easier to bleed than external....it is the exact same process.

 

3- Look at the pictures I posted

On the bottom one you can see the internal slave on the left had side....you can see the bleeder on the lower line.....now look at the top pic..the line with the link goes into the bell housing to the slave....the one coming out of it has the bleeder on it.

 

Follow you line from the top down to were it goes into the bell housing....is there a bleeder there?

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Ok. Going to check and make sure it's holding fluid. Then I guess if it's holding fluid I'll make sure the pedal is engaging the master.

 

When/if all of that checks out, I'll reach up and find that bleeder line. I see what you're talking about in the pic of the two slave cylinders.

 

When I pump the clutch right now, there's no resistance. Goes to the floor.

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This is a YJ But the process is the same....watch the Video

 

 

To bleed you will need a helper ( you can go on you tube and see various techniques)

 

 Basically it is this....Find a wrench that fits the bleeder...slide it on....slide on a chunk of hose...clear is better but any will work....put the other end in a clear bottle or jar.

 

Top up your reservoir.....open the bleeder and have your helper put the pedal to the floor and hold it....close the bleeder.....helper lifts foot off pedal...open bleeder....pedal down....repeat.

 

You should be getting a stream of dirty fluid emptying into you catch jar.......after about 4 pumps up and down stop at the point were the bleeder screw is closed and the foot is off the pedal....top up you reservoir....continue to bleed until you fluid runs as clear coming out as going in. ( this might require you stopping a couple of times and topping up the reservoir...once it is clear close screw...top of reservoir and you should be good to go.... :thumbsup:

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  • 3 weeks later...

Update: Kinda.....

 

ok so I finally had a warm enough day to crawl under the MJ and not be laying on ice and snow.

 

The clutch line goes from the driver's side, over the top, and into an external slave cylinder on the PASS side of the jeep.

 

what the heck? is this not an AX5?

 

Driver's side:

 

Pass side:

 

in this pic, you can see, at the end of the cylinder, the little silver nub is the bleeder, it's on top, above the bleeder is where the clutch line runs.

 

You can see it's soaked in fluid, so i assume it's the bad part. So what transmission do i have? i assume I need to know that before I go buying a new slave! ha!

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