CoryMJ89 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 i just read on a previous thread that alot of people liked the clayton 3 link. but does having three long links help out more compared to my 4 where the uppers just connect to the lowers and if so how? does it ride better quieter? i continuously have a clunk or a shift it feels like in my arms because the lock nut comes loose when its articulated. does clayton have these issues? thanks let me know with all you guys know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvusse Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Where the uppers connect to the lowers basically makes it a radius arm (or 2 link) set up. No personal experience, but friends who have them complain about major suspension unloading on uphill trails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Basically a 3 link does everything better then a radius arm. The main reason Y link/radius arms exist is because they are cheaper and easy to make. Rather then changing out your entire system you could remove your upper Y links and just add a 3rd arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoryMJ89 Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 and just buy the top link and the three link crossmember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 You could probably add the upper link mount to your existing crossmember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoryMJ89 Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 Okay I wonder if it would fab up to my rustys kne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 You could bring it up to the shop,we could put it on the lift and see what it would take to add a mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comanchedude Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I run whats is called a radius type. (but still a long arm so less binding). ( i don't disagree at all a 3 link can provide better articulation in some rigs) and I would love to see some explanation by a suspension design company on the term "unloading on hill climbs" I have seen this said in many posts but if you research that subject i don't find any such thing? you can have what is called wheel recession, is when the front end of your vehicle is forced upward when the front tires contact a ledge or rock..but this is do to poor link angles not link design type. links need to be parallel to start. if they are at a angle to start then they will continue to increase that angle "hence lifting" the advantage of the 3 link type is it will reduce or eliminate axle bind during articulation depending on the application. that's it. so for that reason it can perform better due to less or no binding. of course it depends on how much articulation you have to start with. with my MJ I can articulate all I need with the system I have and the binding does not stop that in the range I have to work with so its a moot point. the 3 link will change your pinion angle as you cycle the suspension up and down (radius will not) so depending on what type rig your building the difference between the two may not ever be realized. I would agree totally that someone building a professional competition ring will go 3 or most like a triangulated system. but for lifted MJs and XJs I would argue for 90% of the rigs the difference in 3,4 and radius is not a factor that would be realized in actual use. and this is after research of the types and the design functions and ranges of their operation. as for the "unloading" I really have never found that to be a subject on any suspension design site or a subject of concern. just like to see people post factual information that is practical and not make up stuff that just web info. basically most no pro wheelers will not see any return for spending a lot more money on a more complex suspension system so bottom like its like buying a sledge hammer to drive in a tack. just a waste of money. and you CAN research all the info I have posted, I didn't make any of it up. :) Where the uppers connect to the lowers basically makes it a radius arm (or 2 link) set up. No personal experience, but friends who have them complain about major suspension unloading on uphill trails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Unloading is more of an issue with short wheel base rigs so you probably wouldnt notice as much in a MJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 How about a question to answer your question. Why do people use suck down winches on steep climbs? Answer that then think about how a radius arm works compared to other systems and you will know what unloading is and why its worse with long armed rigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoryMJ89 Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 I have the rustys 8.5-9 inch long arm but have been looking in keeping my two high clearance long arms and add the one top link from Clayton along with the Clayton 3 link crossmember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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