MJ is dead Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 The MJ I just bought still had ALL the original paperwork, including the owners manual. In the back of the manual, in the accessories section, there was a factory available bumper called a "hidden winch" bumper. Looked exactly like the factory bumper, only about 6 inches longer and contained a winch of some sort. Anyone know where to track one down, or have any pics of one still in existence? Probably not the greatest thing ever, but its just cool since it was a factory jeep accessory in '87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEAD_NOT_FOLLOW Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 It was manufactured by Ramsey and is no longer available from Jeep or Ramsey. Here are a few .pdf files that may be of interest though; http://www.ramseypdfs.com/owners_search_pdfs/295153-D.pdf http://www.ramseypdfs.com/owners_search_pdfs/Parts%20List-JEEP%20XJ%2084-94%20HIDDEN%20KIT.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ is dead Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 Thanks for the PDF's I was actually hoping to see if anyone had actually owned one, or knew where to track one down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
com_mako Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I have one on my MJ... check http://www.comancheclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18149 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ is dead Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 Looks awesome. Now to track one down for myself... :typing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithe1811 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 X2, ive been searching for quite some time now :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 The bumper is the same as all XJ/MJ bumpers. The winch mount plate uses the same factory brackets as the factory tow hooks. The factory brackets (unlike the clones) had two sets of mounting holes. Using the second set moved the brackets forward several inches to create a space for the winch behind the bumper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWLONGSHOT Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 It will take some deep pockets to get it... but I know where there was one.... CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatslug87 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 It will take some deep pockets to get it... but I know where there was one.... CW How deep is deep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepdoggydogB Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 The factory hidden winch was on my short list to buy a year before I even found my Comanche. I kept coming accross threads like this one all over but was always a day late and a dollar short. http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.p ... dden+winch Someone on that thread mentioned that the "detoursusa" would be the closest thing to a hidden winch one could find today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ is dead Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 It will take some deep pockets to get it... but I know where there was one.... CW How deep is deep? What he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEAD_NOT_FOLLOW Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 The biggest issue with it is that it was used with a 6000K winch. I've never had my hands on one; so I do not know if you could fit a larger winch on it or not. But 6000K really isn't a large enough winch for the vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 The biggest issue with it is that it was used with a 6000K winch. I've never had my hands on one; so I do not know if you could fit a larger winch on it or not. But 6000K really isn't a large enough winch for the vehicle. It was also a proprietary version of the Ramsey 6000-lb winch. Normally, the winch "feet:" mount pointing down and the controls face up. With the hidden winch, the mounting plate is vertical so the feet have to point toward the rear of the vehicle rather than down. Which means the wich base is "clocked" 90 degrees relative to the mechanism and controls. I don't know if a standard 6000 or 8000 pounder can be modified to mount that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whowey Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 The biggest issue with it is that it was used with a 6000K winch. I've never had my hands on one; so I do not know if you could fit a larger winch on it or not. But 6000K really isn't a large enough winch for the vehicle. It was also a proprietary version of the Ramsey 6000-lb winch. Normally, the winch "feet:" mount pointing down and the controls face up. With the hidden winch, the mounting plate is vertical so the feet have to point toward the rear of the vehicle rather than down. Which means the wich base is "clocked" 90 degrees relative to the mechanism and controls. I don't know if a standard 6000 or 8000 pounder can be modified to mount that way. Sure they can... they mount that way inside an ARB bull bar... The line actually feeds out the "bottom" of the winch when its installed that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 The biggest issue with it is that it was used with a 6000K winch. I've never had my hands on one; so I do not know if you could fit a larger winch on it or not. But 6000K really isn't a large enough winch for the vehicle. It was also a proprietary version of the Ramsey 6000-lb winch. Normally, the winch "feet:" mount pointing down and the controls face up. With the hidden winch, the mounting plate is vertical so the feet have to point toward the rear of the vehicle rather than down. Which means the wich base is "clocked" 90 degrees relative to the mechanism and controls. I don't know if a standard 6000 or 8000 pounder can be modified to mount that way. Sure they can... they mount that way inside an ARB bull bar... The line actually feeds out the "bottom" of the winch when its installed that way. Cool. But the way the hidden winch is set up, it would be feeding out the "top." I guess if you can do one, you can do the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWLONGSHOT Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I just spoke with the person who I eluded to. he no longer has the setup. Sit down before reading further....... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .It was NOS, NIB IIRC... CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunl Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 So it looks like I am getting one, albeit with a non-working winch, sometime in the next month. The chrome bumper is toast as someone previously tried to remove the winch through the front of the bumper (wtf.....???) However, all brackets and everything are there. Plus I have a GREAT front bumper to use for this. I'm getting it more for the historical factor, but if I can repair the winch I will. If not, I hear you can grind a little to make an 8000# work. PS. and I see Justin snooping around this forum....I'm thinking I just barely snapped this one up before him. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 So it looks like I am getting one, albeit with a non-working winch, sometime in the next month. The chrome bumper is toast as someone previously tried to remove the winch through the front of the bumper (wtf.....???) However, all brackets and everything are there. Plus I have a GREAT front bumper to use for this. I'm getting it more for the historical factor, but if I can repair the winch I will. If not, I hear you can grind a little to make an 8000# work. PS. and I see Justin snooping around this forum....I'm thinking I just barely snapped this one up before him. :D Once you get it, detailed photos and dimensions of the mounting plate(s) would be much appreciated. I had found a diagram about 5 or 6 years ago, but that was several computer crashes ago and I no longer have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunl Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Once you get it, detailed photos and dimensions of the mounting plate(s) would be much appreciated. I had found a diagram about 5 or 6 years ago, but that was several computer crashes ago and I no longer have it. At $100 for everything, I feel a guilty duty to provide as much historical data as possible. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Automan2164 Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 You should. Rob L. 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunl Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 You should. Rob L. 8) Pictures and measurements will now be at a special $20 ea. rate for you. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin_k Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 So it looks like I am getting one, albeit with a non-working winch, sometime in the next month. The chrome bumper is toast as someone previously tried to remove the winch through the front of the bumper (wtf.....???) However, all brackets and everything are there. Plus I have a GREAT front bumper to use for this. I'm getting it more for the historical factor, but if I can repair the winch I will. If not, I hear you can grind a little to make an 8000# work. PS. and I see Justin snooping around this forum....I'm thinking I just barely snapped this one up before him. :D Found another bumper, kicking myself for not considering that one :headpop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunl Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Found another bumper, kicking myself for not considering that one :headpop: Yeah, but YOU get to come and check it out in person if you want when I get it. :cheers: (well, maybe "cheers" when you turn legal lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin_k Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Found another bumper, kicking myself for not considering that one :headpop: Yeah, but YOU get to come and check it out in person if you want when I get it. :cheers: (well, maybe "cheers" when you turn legal lol) haha the perks of living in Alberta :brows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitchVA Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 dang, maybe i should drag out my WARN version of the same thing... http://fitchva.com/jeep/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=4111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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