DJM/78 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Help !! I have a 92" 4x4 4.0 HO , I already have a R.E . 2" lift kit. ( pucks & shocks ) With the extra leaf in the rear , it sits good but, with the new 31"x10" wheels , I am still getting all kinds of inner fender rub. I want to put the ZJ v8 front springs and the rubicon 1" leaf extension brackets on top of the lift I have now. Will that put me close to an extra 1"- 1.5" . I just need a little more room for my turning radius . Or am I :dunce: Dave M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWLONGSHOT Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Lifting will not help with rubbing in turns. Back spacing on your wheels will. BUT don't go to much or the rubbing will only move from the inside to the outside. A longer shackle in the rear will net you some lift. But as the MJ's shackle is already 5.5" eye to eye, you need two inches longer to net you one inch of lift and overly long shackles create other problems. So my advice is don't go longer than a 7.5" eye to eye shackle. Up front, the V8 coils are said to net you 3/4 to 1 inch of lift. haven't don't it so cannot say for sure. I HAVE used factory XJ upcountry springs. These will net you about an inch as well. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socal1200r Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I'm running 31x10.50 Firestone Destination ATs on stock Jeep alloys (15x7), stock ride height, and have no fender rubbing problems. I did install a set of WJ lower control arms so they wouldn't rub there, and all's good. Since you have aftermarket wheels, which I'm sure have different backspacing than Jeep wheels, that's most likely the cause of your fender rubbing. If you need a little more lift, couldn't you add 1" pucks up front, and maybe 1" blocks on the back? That's probably not going to be enough to eliminate your fender rubbing though, but it might be worth a try. Or look on your local Craig's List and see if you could get a set of Jeep alloys? I think I paid $150 for my Jeep alloys off Craig's List, $85 for new WJ LCAs off eBay, and $100 labor to install them. That's less than $350 total, which is probably less than a new set of wheels, and no rubbing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kro10000 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 He is still SUA in tye rear, blocks would lower it, and he already has spacers, id go for zj coils, thats what I'm gonna use, but they won't help rubbing. Try the wj LCAs, that is your best bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakjeep93 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 might nered to trim abit too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnkyboy Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Just trim a little where it rubs. I had the same issue on my XJ at 2" of lift and wide offset wheels,unless you look really close you can't really tell its been trimmed and the rubbing is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmaley79 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I'm running 32" tires on stock height and stock rims only thing changed was the control arms no rubbing so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM/78 Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 Thanks !! I didn't know exactly what to do about that . I trimmed the inside a small amount and helped. The reason I am replacing the springs is my truck settles a little to the passenger side . I am hoping the newer springs and new bushings will help prop it back up. I did use the 4" Offset wheels this time instead of the 2" . I'll try the WJ LCV's as well !! :chillin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WahooSteeler Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 socal1200, very nice MJ. have you ever posted pics of it before? hard to believe stock ride height, looks like it's got a couple of inches lift, especially in the rear. djm, used wj LCAs are easy to come by on here, jeepforum.com, or ebay. i've seen as little as $25, but $40-50 will get you a set anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM/78 Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 What years of WJ LCA's should I look for ?? I would pay more for nice ones!!! Dave M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socal1200r Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 socal1200, very nice MJ. have you ever posted pics of it before? hard to believe stock ride height, looks like it's got a couple of inches lift, especially in the rear. I posted a few pics of the wheel/tire combos I've done in the month I've had the MJ. They're in one of the threads about tire size or something like that. As far as I can tell, it hasn't been lifted. Stock shackles and leaf springs on the back, same thing up front. Going thru the PO's records, he put on new back shocks about a year ago, and when I got it, I put on new front shocks and steering stabilizer. Other than replacing the stock MJ LCAs with WJ LCAs, I haven't messed with the suspension. I'll probably leave it alone for now, and work on some other stuff (light bar with driving lights, maybe bucket seats and console, air bag helper kit, that kind of stuff)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socal1200r Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 What years of WJ LCA's should I look for ?? I would pay more for nice ones!!! Dave M. Look for WJ LCAs for '99-'04 model years. Here's a link to the same ones I got off eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 0347055185 Just remember, they're not a simple swap, you'll have to do some grinding in order to get the wider bushings to fit, and the arms to swing freely in the brackets. The shop that installed mine did it in a little over an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM/78 Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 Cool thanks for the help I'm on it !!!! :thumbsup: Dave M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Up front, the V8 coils are said to net you 3/4 to 1 inch of lift. haven't don't it so cannot say for sure. I HAVE used factory XJ upcountry springs. These will net you about an inch as well. They are the same thing. I bought my 2000 XJ as a factory order with Up Country suspension. When it came in, I took the codes off the springs and went to the dealer to order a set of coils to put into my '88 XJ. The parts guy recognized the number -- "Why are you ordering Grand Cherokee springs for a Cherokee?" So he looked, and he confirmed that the standard ZJ V8 coil is the same part number as the XJ 4.0L Up Country coil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 What years of WJ LCA's should I look for ?? I would pay more for nice ones!!! Dave M. What exactly is the backspacing of your aftermarket wheels? If you used stock Jeep wheels w. 4.25 - 4.50 BS you would not have inner fender rubbing, but you might have rubbing at full lock on the lower LCAs w. those tires. The WJ LCAs will cure this, but do nothing for inner fender rubbing. Suspect your new wheels are Ford orientated. While I'm not a fan of spacers up front, and if your aftermarket wheels were expensive, hub concentric .25" spacers or .50" spacers (after installing longer studs) might be a cheap fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 What exactly is the backspacing of your aftermarket wheels? If you used stock Jeep wheels w. 4.25 - 4.50 BS you would not have inner fender rubbing, but you might have rubbing at full lock on the lower LCAs w. those tires. Typo alert. Stock Jeep wheel backspacing is 5.25" or 5.5". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Typo alert noted. :grrrr: You knew what I meant. :clapping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM/78 Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 I believe they are 4" offset , they told me that is the normal size for that truck. However I went to a 10" wheel . Even with the lift there is slight rub right in the center at the bump , on the inside of the fender . Also my trucks old suspension is sagging . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 why did you go with a 10" rim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM/78 Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 I don't know , I was told its better to get a wider tire if I was going to lift it . It did help with the stability and ride quality . I like how it looks too . :brows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOrnbrod Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 You were told wrong, sorry. Ideal rim width for our MJ/XJ due to the rather confined MJ/XJ wheel well for 31" tires is 8"-8.5" with 5" - 5.5" BS as posted. There's not a whole lot of room in there. Spacers to move a 10" wheel out to correct inner fender clearance will most likely cause issues with the flares. You don't want to do any excess triming/cutting on that 92 I hope. It looks nice. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WahooSteeler Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 DJM, 1. Your truck looks awesome, very clean looking. You need to post some more pics! :brows: 2. What is this "rubicon 1" leaf extension brackets on top of the lift I have now" you speak of? I have never heard of it. :dunce: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComancheKid45 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 can't off much help other than what was stated but that truck is Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM/78 Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 Thanks guys ", that means allot coming from this group . I'm starting a build thread on my mj called : " LAST OF THE MANCHES " a tribute to a badass truck . I'll get more pics soon . I believe those spring shackles that cw and I were talking about are found through quite a few different manufactures . The ones I'm getting are from Rubicon Express , I think mine are adjustable . They have a couple of different holes to slide the bolts through . So I can get the ride height correct , and what cw was saying . :thumbsup: Dave M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WahooSteeler Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I believe those spring shackles that cw and I were talking about are found through quite a few different manufactures . The ones I'm getting are from Rubicon Express , I think mine are adjustable . They have a couple of different holes to slide the bolts through . So I can get the ride height correct , and what cw was saying . :thumbsup: Dave M. I've just never seen them described in that way. Shackles. Yes, I have a pair of Chevy drop shackles with adjustable heights too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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